The stupidest injection question ever!!!

[BigLittleTim]

Gentlemen,

I ran across this question on another site. Thought I'd submit it here for your answers...

I work in an ER so these weird things interest me.

Have any of you guys ever had ischemia from your IM injections (intramusclular)? or have you ever injected into an artery/vein?

I suppose with the latter..you might be dead.

Some guy managed to inject some type of steriod into his femoral artery. Needless to say this caused occlusion and he died shortly after.

Where do you guys learn to inject from? I know it's not trial and error.

I always thought that it might be difficult to find a source to trust.

[Njord]

Gentlemen,

I ran across this question on another site. Thought I'd submit it here for your answers...

I work in an ER so these weird things interest me.

Have any of you guys ever had ischemia from your IM injections (intramusclular)? or have you ever injected into an artery/vein?

I suppose with the latter..you might be dead.

Some guy managed to inject some type of steriod into his femoral artery. Needless to say this caused occlusion and he died shortly after.

Where do you guys learn to inject from? I know it's not trial and error.

I always thought that it might be difficult to find a source to trust.

I call bullshit on this!

What are your questions again?

[BigLittleTim]

Some guy posted this on another board and I wanted to get your feedback on what he's saying so I can respond to him at that other site.

"Some guy managed to inject some type of steriod into his femoral artery. Needless to say this caused occlusion and he died shortly after."

I KNOW it's a dumb post... that's why I wanted your feedback.

Flame away!

-BigLittleTim

[Njord]

Some guy posted this on another board and I wanted to get your feedback on what he's saying so I can respond to him at that other site.

"Some guy managed to inject some type of steriod into his femoral artery. Needless to say this caused occlusion and he died shortly after."

I KNOW it's a dumb post... that's why I wanted your feedback.

Flame away!

-BigLittleTim

Why would a small AAS injection in an artery cause an occlusion. Any medics out there? I'm sure it would cause some symptoms, but not death from an occluded (collapsed) artery.

[Ostrich]

Arteries go away from the heart. So if he hit the femoral artery and occluded, the whole leg would die off first. Then gangrene, etc. Completely BS on the occluded artery killing someone. I dont know the exact side effects of AAS on the heart. Im assuming it would take alot for cardiac effects.

[lex57]

Why would a small AAS injection in an artery cause an occlusion. Any medics out there? I'm sure it would cause some symptoms, but not death from an occluded (collapsed) artery.

i am not a medic but i did stay at a Holiday inn express last night. first thing first i believe this 100%. go to an E.R. sometime and watch the people who go in and out. if you work in an e.r. long enough you will see everything. i will prove this to you guys as very very possible. one of the main complications of a heart catheter is an occlusion. which is not a collapsed artery but a blockage. having said that if some idiot hit his artery injectin in his leg and this caused formation of a blood clot or occlusion part of it could break off and become an emboli and kill him. so i would not be so quick to judge b.s. because it is very possible.

[largerthannormal]

s i t e i n j e c t i o n . c o m gives a good idea.!

[Ostrich]

lex57, I would agree with you if the person had said they hit the femoral vein. They stated they hit the femoral artery. The artery goes away from the heart and branches to smaller arteries then down to capillaries then into veins after oxygen exchange. Any clot would get cought up before it got down to the capillaries, thus causing swelling and death to the leg. Cardiac caths are done thru the femaoral vein and are subject to breaking off clots along the way. So if it did go in the artery I would says BS or the person just does not know what they are talking about. If they meant vein, then it is entirely possible, but chances would still be slim.

[lex57]

lex57, I would agree with you if the person had said they hit the femoral vein. They stated they hit the femoral artery. The artery goes away from the heart and branches to smaller arteries then down to capillaries then into veins after oxygen exchange. Any clot would get cought up before it got down to the capillaries, thus causing swelling and death to the leg. Cardiac caths are done thru the femaoral vein and are subject to breaking off clots along the way. So if it did go in the artery I would says BS or the person just does not know what they are talking about. If they meant vein, then it is entirely possible, but chances would still be slim.

man i thought i was right on that one but i guess not.

[BigLittleTim]

So... this guy is right on the money, then?

You give yourself a steroid injection in the leg; your arteries collapse; blood clots go to your heart; instant death resulting.

Is this possible, but almost completely improbable? Like: "The Earth has a 1/10000000000000000000000000000 chance of crashing into the Sun today."?



-BigLittleTim

[meathead320]

I had a little scare yesterday, when I passed through a vien on my left thigh, on the way in.

With the aspirate, I saw no blood, and injected, and all was fine, until I pulled the needle out, and blood followed it out.

A lot of blood too, easily 7-8 ccs worth of it. But I think it was higher up than the muscle I injected into. No oil came up with it.

I feel fine today, but there is a little bruising under the skin.

I Z-tracked it, and so my skin itself help the pressure to stop the bleeding.

I was a little dizzy from seeing a huge glob of my own blood, but other than that I am fine.

Anyway, if you aspirate, and don't inject into the vien, you will live.

I know, I am living proof.

[lex57]

just curious why you use z track. its really not worth while unless what you are injecting is irritating to the skin such as an iron injection.

[meathead320]

just curious why you use z track. its really not worth while unless what you are injecting is irritating to the skin such as an iron injection.

What are the drawbacks of "Z tracking"?

So far as I know it prevents leakout.

If you lose the equivlent of say, 1 tick mark, that is 20mg of test C for example, less than if none had leaked.

Hence the Z track.

[AaronJM1984]

If you can die from this, don't you think the government would've started using this as one of the deathly risks of AAS use? This isn't true, if it was you see it on the news, "Steroids take another life, blah blah blah"

[IntenseAthlete]

If you can die from this, don't you think the government would've started using this as one of the deathly risks of AAS use? This isn't true, if it was you see it on the news, "Steroids take another life, blah blah blah"

agreed.I call bullshit.Before I began reading hear I never aspirated and neither did many people I know.None of them have ever had a problem and this is a large group of people that have been cycling for years with many different substances.

[lex57]

agreed.I call bullshit.Before I began reading hear I never aspirated and neither did many people I know.None of them have ever had a problem and this is a large group of people that have been cycling for years with many different substances.

but why not aspirate?

[AR15 guy]

Buddy of mine said he hit a vein yesterday. Said the syringe completely filled with blood.

He said he thinks he has injected into a vein on accident before. Said he started feeling wierd, sweating like crazy, then got a major rush. I think he said it was around 5cc of test.

He is on a lot of shit. I think he does 9cc of test a week.Plus other shit.

[Njord]

just curious why you use z track. its really not worth while unless what you are injecting is irritating to the skin such as an iron injection.

I use z track whenever I can. Just to prevent leakage. Really not worth it? Are we talking about the same thing here. Takes no more time and effort than standard injection techniques.

[lex57]

I use z track whenever I can. Just to prevent leakage. Really not worth it? Are we talking about the same thing here. Takes no more time and effort than standard injection techniques.

damn man how much leakage do you guys get? i mean i never get any leakage i just push in slowly then as i pull out, i get right near the tip, and leave it for about 3 or 4 seconds then pull out and i never get any leakage at all. if you guys get more than a drop or 2 i would be surprised. let alone unless you are leaving air in your syringe at the top you are also leaving gear behind in your syringe so whats the difference. and i only pin my glutes and delts and i dont think i can ztrack my own glute shot. so yes to me its not worth it. i know it takes no more time or effort to pull skin down to do a ztrack its not like its rocket science. thats the only difference in a ztrack.......

[taiboxa]

i have injected into a vein a few times.. (i aspirated) and apparently moved the needle while injecting.. most GOD AWFUL episodes of my life.. the chest pain and weezing lasted 24 hrs (after the initial 15-20 minutes of pure agonizing hell)

[lex57]

i have injected into a vein a few times.. (i aspirated) and apparently moved the needle while injecting.. most GOD AWFUL episodes of my life.. the chest pain and weezing lasted 24 hrs (after the initial 15-20 minutes of pure agonizing hell)

yes but you probably injected 8 ml of tren ace every time too............

[IntenseAthlete]

i have injected into a vein a few times.. (i aspirated) and apparently moved the needle while injecting.. most GOD AWFUL episodes of my life.. the chest pain and weezing lasted 24 hrs (after the initial 15-20 minutes of pure agonizing hell)

Tai,

Was it tren?Everytime I here this story its with tren.Never heard anybody get this reaction with test or deca.Im amost positive I hit vein more than once before I started aspirating and either the dose I take is to small to have an effect or coumpounds like test and deca are just not that powerful in the blood stream.

[meathead320]

damn man how much leakage do you guys get? i mean i never get any leakage i just push in slowly then as i pull out, i get right near the tip, and leave it for about 3 or 4 seconds then pull out and i never get any leakage at all. if you guys get more than a drop or 2 i would be surprised. let alone unless you are leaving air in your syringe at the top you are also leaving gear behind in your syringe so whats the difference. and i only pin my glutes and delts and i dont think i can ztrack my own glute shot. so yes to me its not worth it. i know it takes no more time or effort to pull skin down to do a ztrack its not like its rocket science. thats the only difference in a ztrack.......

That is the difference.

I can only do my quads on my own, I cannot reach the other stuff myself.

When my wife sticks me, or a friend, I just hold the skin .5" over as the inject for the Z track. Likely, they don't even realize I am doing it.

[lex57]

That is the difference.

I can only do my quads on my own, I cannot reach the other stuff myself.

When my wife sticks me, or a friend, I just hold the skin .5" over as the inject for the Z track. Likely, they don't even realize I am doing it.

yeah i was kinda thinkin last night since i only inject my glutes and delts it wouldnt be quite possible to do a ztrack yourself there in those 2 places. the only place you could really z track yourself is the quad or calf...... i dunno ....................... am i wrong?

[Njord]

yeah i was kinda thinkin last night since i only inject my glutes and delts it wouldnt be quite possible to do a ztrack yourself there in those 2 places. the only place you could really z track yourself is the quad or calf...... i dunno ....................... am i wrong?

I only do z-track in quads and pecs.

[lex57]

I only do z-track in quads and pecs.

yeah i figured u could do pecs too. but like i said i was gonna try it but i was like oh shit how the hell would i do it.....but pecs and quads i could see for sure....