2nd cycle with Sustanon250(TE3) and anabol

[nickel5]

Join Date: Feb 2008
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2nd cycle with Sustanon250(TE3) and anabol

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I was wondering if some people could give their opinion on an optimal cycle for this equipment. As far as tapering, the sustanon up and down or stay at the same. I know anabol for week 1-4 at 20-25mg day. Also, I have heard so much about breaking it up throughout the day, one dose, befor workout dose, not at bedtime. So, what is everyone's opinion on how I should cycle, how much, how long, I want to gain mass and have done a lot of reasearch before posting here and would just like some more opinions, you can never get to much info on stuff ypu are putting in your body. Thanks.

[Prada]

If you've done a lot of research how can you pose something so rudimentary?

As far as tapering, the sustanon up and down or stay at the same

What was your first cycle?

[nickel5]

. What's so rudimentary? Not to taper sustanon cause it has a long half life and all the different tests in it. I was just asking. When you see 20,000 different posts on the internet where everyone says something different, I thought I would get one more opinion, how hard is that. Now, its rudimentary, what was your first cycle, so I can bag on it, cause I'm such a hot shot, I can't answer posts, just pick fun at people?

[longhorn814]

what are your stats and what was your first cycle? Dont taper sust..keep it the same dose throughout the cycle

[nickel5]

Thanks longhorn, I appreciate all input. My 1st cycle was deca and dianabol. I know everyone says test in every cycle, I gained about 20+ lbs, had no deca dick, but lost almost all of it as I did not follow a good PCT. I am 6' 200lbs . I would guesstimate about 15% body fat.

[longhorn814]

age? diet..number of calories/day and macros (pro/fat/carb)?

[Njord]

Thanks longhorn, I appreciate all input. My 1st cycle was deca and dianabol. I know everyone says test in every cycle, I gained about 20+ lbs, had no deca dick, but lost almost all of it as I did not follow a good PCT. I am 6' 200lbs . I would guesstimate about 15% body fat.

It didn't seem like you appreciated Prada's input.

[nickel5]

not reaaly Njord, he didn't give any answer to a simple question of how he would cycle these two, just rudimentary dear watson.... Not this is what I'd do and by the way, so I might be able to help you further what was your first cycle and how how are your esting habits, like longhorn. I just see so many rude replys to people asking questions and I undestand there are alot of previuous psots on lot of different cycles and the senior ,members get upset when newbies ask questions. So, i am still going through oreviuos posts, but this is the gear I got, made my desicion to do, have all equipment for cycle and pct-HCG and clomid , and was just wondering peoples opinion to this cycle, not even thier take on PCT. adn to longhorn I'm 28, I was basically am eating like a pig, take more than 2gms protein per body weight daily, someones more, i know it will be secreted than protein that not used, but I feel more protein is better tham not haiving enough. Fat and carbs I don't necessarily weigh out, I just make sure to get plenty of all. Why

[Njord]

HCg and clomid is a horrible pct. What exactly did you learn when you did "lot of research"?
I don't have a problem with someone asking a question because he doesn't know something, but I have problems with all the guys that have done "tons of research" and then it becomes apparent they don't even know the basics.

[IvanDrago]

Adrol for a guy your size would work better at 50mg ed...take 25mg at breakfast and 25 at your mid afternoon meal...not lunch but the one between lunch and dinner

[Prada]

It didn't seem like you appreciated Prada's input.

He has no reason to appreciate my feedback since I never gave him any up to this point.

Relax man don't get so emotional. Didn't want to come off as a scurrilous remark, its just that I thought you would've known that.

1)Keep you dose steady through out, hence, for example if you go with 500mg/week then stick to it for the sustanon. It will keep the sides in check. Not good to have fluctuating hormones.

2)Personally Im not a fan of anadrol but if you go with it, then apply the same principal. Keep the dose steady of X weeks.

3)Try to keep the dose at the same time all the time.

4)A lot of people ,IMO, put importance in synergy, applying different compounds to yield better results, which isn't bad necessarily. However the greatest factor really is diet, as others mentioned. That is what will determine what type of gains you get and PCT will determine how much of those gains you will keep.

Good luck

[longhorn814]

HCg and clomid is a horrible pct. What exactly did you learn when you did "lot of research"?
I don't have a problem with someone asking a question because he doesn't know something, but I have problems with all the guys that have done "tons of research" and then it becomes apparent they don't even know the basics.

well there are many conflicting views on HCG use..however I never use it during PCT..I always use it during a cycle..you'll be better off with a PCT with a standard nolva/clomid protocol..

[nickel5]

You guys are great and I do apologize as coming off a little rude. Yeah, I've done all my research on the interent and just keeping seeing differnet things. I was very happy finding this forum and I will try to keep my questions to a minimun unless I can't locate any firm info. Ohh, and I got clomid right now and was debating getting the Hcg. The protocols I have heard would be to start PCT at 3 weeks after the sust as the long acting esters, then Hcg5000iu as every 4-5 days then taper that off. Also,250iu ed for 1 week and if not side effects nuts dropping or growing, then to up the dosage a litle. Then start CLOMID FIRST DAY AT 300MG, THEN 100mgs for 10 days , then 50 mgs for 10 days.I ust started yesterday at 300mgs sust and 20-25mgs dianabol , but what do people think about using it only on traing days, not at night, and if best befor eworkouts.

[Prada]

IMO something like Nolva and Exmestane would be more beneficial then two SERMS like Nolva and Clomid.

[nickel5]

so, instead of the Hcguse clomid and exmestane as I already have the clomid. Start 3 weeks after my last sust imject and what would be your pct dosage plan. Thanks, and is this your what uis your usual pct, or does it fluctuate.

[longhorn814]

You guys are great and I do apologize as coming off a little rude. Yeah, I've done all my research on the interent and just keeping seeing differnet things. I was very happy finding this forum and I will try to keep my questions to a minimun unless I can't locate any firm info. Ohh, and I got clomid right now and was debating getting the Hcg. The protocols I have heard would be to start PCT at 3 weeks after the sust as the long acting esters, then Hcg5000iu as every 4-5 days then taper that off. Also,250iu ed for 1 week and if not side effects nuts dropping or growing, then to up the dosage a litle. Then start CLOMID FIRST DAY AT 300MG, THEN 100mgs for 10 days , then 50 mgs for 10 days.I ust started yesterday at 300mgs sust and 20-25mgs dianabol , but what do people think about using it only on traing days, not at night, and if best befor eworkouts.

you really dont even need HCG for that cycle..just run 100mg of clomid for 30 days..dont do that 300mg first day crap..and you have to take your dbol every day,not just on training days

[Njord]

well there are many conflicting views on HCG use..however I never use it during PCT..I always use it during a cycle..you'll be better off with a PCT with a standard nolva/clomid protocol..

I use hcg during cycle as well never during pct. However if someone wanted to run it during pct it should be ran with nolva, not clomid.

[Prada]

so, instead of the Hcguse clomid and exmestane as I already have the clomid. Start 3 weeks after my last sust imject and what would be your pct dosage plan. Thanks, and is this your what uis your usual pct, or does it fluctuate.

Yes that should suffice. Again run consistent amounts thoughout PCT. The rule of thumb is untill you feel back to normal, which is usually around 4 weeks. That doesnt mean one should limit themselves to 4 weeks.

Nolva
Exemetane
Pesonally I like to add megadosed BCAAS. I also add a stimulant like No Shotgun, helps keep the intensity up. Last cycle I kept almost 100% of my gains.

[nickel5]

HCg and clomid is a horrible pct. What exactly did you learn when you did "lot of research"?
I don't have a problem with someone asking a question because he doesn't know something, but I have problems with all the guys that have done "tons of research" and then it becomes apparent they don't even know the basics.

Would it make you feel better if i provide at least 5 links to websites saying using Hcg as a Pct? Or are you just another senior member here who loves to bag on the new guys asking for some help from the pros. I mean understan d where you are coming from, but then it's kinda odd if you've never heard Hcg before as PCT. Yeah, maybe you know from years of experience that it sucks, but i ONLY know what I read and what I've tried.