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**alphamind85** · 02-28-2008, 01:23 AM

i am new to this site so try not to crush me, I have been going to the gym for 2 years hard, i wrestled 119lbs freshman in high school and senior year 155 i have never been the big guy i have wasted thousands on supps just to realize it was the gym not the shit. i now weigh 200lbs i am 5'11 i live in japan so its hard to get but i got it.so i got (14) 250mg testoviron and (14) 250mg deca , i plan on stacking these and i have a few questions; needles i have read 20 gauge 1.5 inch, what do you suggest. pretty much what do i need besides the gear for the cycle, estrogen inhibitor, and if so, will the legal ones get the job done (6OXO). also should my cycle be 8 weeks or 14 due to the number of vials i have, 1cc of each a week? should it be refrigerated or just stay out of light? off cycle supplies? i am ignorant in all aspects, i have read what wiki has and what you guys have and these are the questions i have. bless with me your knowledge

PT · 02-28-2008, 04:54 AM

you dont need an estrogen inhibitor bro. you can keep nolva on hand incase your nipples get sore and some bromo for the deca . as for needles i would say 23 gauge 1'' would work best for you but you can use the 20g 1.5'' if you want, there just bigger. you dont have to keep your gear refrigerated and you want to make sure you are getting around 4000-5000 calories and around 300-400 grams of protein a day. as for length, i would say 12 weeks would be best and if i were you i would try to get more test and run it at 500mgs a week and the deca at 475mgs a week(1.5cc's).

**nowdenlid** · 02-28-2008, 05:06 AM

what are your goals with this cycle?

if you cant get hold of anymore test then your cycle is going to be not as effective as if you had 28 amps of test .

here is what iwould do if you cant get more test

week 1 front load test 500mgs(2ml)

weeks 2-10 250mgs test e every week.

you could do the same with the deca but front load it at 750 mgs first week then 250mgs for weeks 2-9.

**ChuckLee** · 02-28-2008, 05:08 AM

Pietro, you are directing him without knowing anything bout his stats...
4000-5000 Kcals? Even if he's 170lbs?
And you're suggesting to take nolva with deca , a 19-nor, during cycle???

To the threadstarter: what your stats? age?

**nowdenlid** · 02-28-2008, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Pietro, you are directing him without knowing anything bout his stats...
4000-5000 Kcals? Even if he's 170lbs?
And you're suggesting to take nolva with deca , a 19-nor, during cycle???

To the threadstarter: what your stats? age?

5,11 200lbs

more stats needed tho.

body fat %

PT · 02-28-2008, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Pietro, you are directing him without knowing anything bout his stats...
4000-5000 Kcals? Even if he's 170lbs?
And you're suggesting to take nolva with deca , a 19-nor, during cycle???

To the threadstarter: what your stats? age?

your wrong bro. first he is 200lbs and 2nd i said to keep nolva on hand as well as bromo for the deca. as for his stats, he told us his weight and experiance already plus he told us what he has. im well aware that people are saying that nolva and deca can cause gyno but i have used them together many times and never had a problem. i didnt say to run nolva or bromo, i said to keep them on hand. i will switch this up since alot of people are against nolva and deca. get yourself some bromo and letro and you can keep them on hand