First anything like this, lean out some mass.

[Triathlonc'dale]

O.K. I read the newbie stuff and realize this crap gets asked all the time, but peoples ages sizes experience effect how this is done right. I have never done AAS before. I am 31. 6"1" 205 lbs. I run endurance races and triathlons. No matter what I do, how good I eat, I can not lose my gut. Seriously. I ran a 26 mile marathon and I actually gained weight. (213 lbs)
I know we can't ask how to get this stuff. I guess I will try my luck from websites.
What I want from you guys is advice. I have heard cytomel/clenbuterol would help metabolism. Also if i am going to buy that I might as well go all the way and get a little something like winstrol. I don't want to get huge, just a little more upperbody, and get leaner. I know EPO is good stuff for endurance athletes, but I cant find ANYTHing on it. It is real expensive too. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Also, I am really nervous about getting stuff mailed to my house. do people rent P.O boxes or is that just as risky. I am not a cop or anything. I saw some posts where people thought cops or narcotics officers were trolling. You can email me direct at [email] if that is more comfortable. Please dont subsribe my email address to gay porn.

[Triathlonc'dale]

I lift weights 3 times a week for 1 hour, and have been for about 18 months. Just trying to think of other stuff you might need to know.

[Triathlonc'dale]

bump

[samcam]

First off there is no magic pill. Regardless of what you use to help speed along your metabolism, diet is always the most important factor above and beyond everything else. You say you can't lose your gut and even gained fat after running a marathon? somethings not right here, if you are damn sure you are eating below maintenance, no guestimation here, use a calorie tracker such as Fitday, and are honest with yourself and what you are eating, then maybe you have a medical problem and should see a doctor. But most likely you are not eating as cleanly as think you are and need to get that in order before you even consider using anything else.

[STED]

Yeah if its not a medical problem, its got to be your diet. It might be clean and healthy diet, but you might just be eating the wrong things at thwe wrong time. Clen and whinstrol are the cutting compounds but there not much good without the right diet. Whats your diet look like anyway? What do you eat?

[PT]

exactly. whats your diet like? i assume it has to be bad if you run that much and still have a gut because you dont see many top marathon runners with a gut for a reason. all that cardio burns off your fat. do you just run marthons 2 or 3 times a year for fun or do you actually train all week for it? i would try to clean up your diet before using winny. if and when you do decide to use gear from what i hear winny is the best for marathon runners. look at ben johnson.

[soccer#3]

a piece of advice, take out ur email address out of post.

is ur diet and cardio consistent otherwise its pretty much a waste?

[Triathlonc'dale]

I eat well. I dont know what to say. Its not like I live on icecream. I do cario for an average of 2 hours 4 times a week. I ride an average of 40 miles (takes a little over 2 hours) twice a week, and run/eliptical 2 other days. The machines usually show a calorie expenditure of 1300-1800 burned per session. I probably take in 2200 calories a day. That makes no sense. Its not my diet.

[wilson9d]

The weight you gained after the race was water not fat. What do you do to exercise your abs? do you drink alcohol? how much sugar and bad carbs in your diet?

[Triathlonc'dale]

I usually do six sets of ab excersises three times a week. knee lifts, decline crunches. stuff with a medicine ball. During the marathon training I gained about 8 lbs, i think because I took in extra sugar. Which IS necessary. You cant take in 1200 calories a day and do 20 mile training runs. I don't look pregnant or anything. I just want to drop my body fat. I want to know if Clenbuterol or Cytomax would help. I talked to a couple of people at the gym who suggested them, but didnt really want to go into detail. I thought the annonymous deal here might make for easier conversation. Eat right and take your vitamins is nothing new.

[Triathlonc'dale]

I meant cytomel and I rarely drink.

[wilson9d]

do you have fat on your stomach or does it just stick out?

[Triathlonc'dale]

I have have on my stomach. I want defined washboard abs. If you ever watch wwe think a little better than JBL (wrestler) stomach only.

[Triathlonc'dale]

Sorry just woke up. I have fat on my stomach not have have

[wilson9d]

i have never seen him but i just looked him up. I know your question is about fatburners. but there is more to it than that.

how long have you been endurance training?
do you lift heavy weights?

I am sure the sugar and bad carbs are a big part of it if your carb loading for your training then your body may be converting the carbs to fat to store energy for the 26 miles of damage you’re going to inflict on it. Your body may also be used to the training your doing making it ever harder to burn fat. Fat is like the body’s savings account. Once it stores fat it doesn’t like to let it go. Also sugar and carbs after hard work outs can cause an insulin spike in your body making it easier for your body to convert the food to fat you have to be very careful what you eat after you train. I am willing to bet that throwing exercises like wind-sprints, stair runs, and hill runs into you routine will go a long way to Reducing your body fat.

In addition, it sounds like it may be the way you are training your abs. more for strength and not definition. Think of it like this. The muscles can contract in different ways. Strength, imagine you are doing squats. Before you go down you take a deep breath and look up to the ceiling and squat your abs are going to be forced outward. They are contracting but forced out. Now imagine laying on you back on the floor with you knees bent and your feet flat on the floor. Keep your arms and hands at you sides slightly off the ground. Now, breathe out and force all of the air out of your body. Crunch up and try to touch your ankles. As you crunch keep your head parallel to the floor and look up at the ceiling, don’t try to sit-up and look over knees. These two ways of using the muscle group are drastically different and cause a different look.

[wilson9d]

Yes if used correctly those can help but if something about you program is impeding the fat loss then it is likely to return later.

[53-11]

tri, i race bikes and know what you are talking about. look into doing some lipolysis training on sat. and sunday mornings....DEPENDING ON YOUR RACING SCHEDULE!! these workouts are very taxing on the body and require you to eat a little higher fat diet on those days...i know it sounds backwards. what are you using for nutrition during training? when do you eat & how many meals? are you cut everywhere except the ab region? get your posts up and pm me...

[Triathlonc'dale]

I am haven't been eating anything special since my January marathon. During that trainging i used Hammer gels. I have some definition in my arms and legs. Would like to be better.
When I lift, I bench like 220 three reps, 210 five, 185 9 reps. I know weak. but I am trying. I do incline dumbell press 80 in each hand 8 reps at the heaviest etc. I just started lifting with my legs a month ago. So that is REALLY pathetic. but I have benn lifting upeerbody for about 18 months.
I have been endurance traing for about 4 years. I am doing an iron distance triathlon this summer. 2.4 mi swim 112 bike mi 26.2 mi run

[Triathlonc'dale]

I try to eat 4 times a day. But I work nights and it gets tough

[cantfly]

ok we all into his diet lets answer his other question about getting our stuff through the mail or po box

[meathead320]

I think you may be one of the rare examples of a guy who does too much cardio.

8 hours of cardio a week.

THink about that.

If that much cardio does not work, adding more will not help at this point.

Diet is Key, and it is not just about taking in X number of calories, vs. X number burned.

What, and when you eat matters too.

The other concern, is that when you over-do cardio, your body will actually try to store fat, to use as energy for the next 2+ hour cardio workout.

How does your body store that energy?

Add to that, as you are currently natural, do you think your body can even produce the required amount of testosterone to help aid in the fat burning? Over doing cardio drops both LH and FSH production by a LOT, and increases cortisol.

Over-doing cardio an easily tank your energy, and testosterone, and make you store some fat.

Obviously you will not be a "fat guy" doing that much cardio, however you body will store enough to just "hide" your abbs under a layer around 1/2" thick, with a 1-1.5" layer on the flanks. Most cardiologist would call that healthy, and not obese. So that is some good news.

Cutting back on the cardio a little, while putting a little more time into the gym, lifting weights would be a good idea.

Replacing some of the carbs you eat with fats, to = the same net # of calories may also help be keeping you at the same energy level, without the fat storing problems of too much sugar.

[New2Anabolic]

I try to eat 4 times a day. But I work nights and it gets tough

It's never tough, its 100% about planning.

I tried to do keto while I'm on my Clen. But Carbs keep pulling me down, because I haven't gone to the grocery store (ie. planning for "keto-snacks")

If you plan, pre make, pre purchase, and bring stuff with you - you can always win! It's accessibility that makes it as easy as.. dare I say... cake!?

Edit: Pilots might have a tough problem though, or an ER doctor. Eating properly must be a bit.ch for them.

[53-11]

tri,

don't say weak on your lifting...you are an endurance athlete, we don't want bulk and it's a fine line for some of us when it comes to weight training and adding power not bulk. when i bench i only do 20-25 lb dumbbell bench on a fitness ball....a far cry from your 200+...however, I am doing 4 sets of 15 with 1 min recovery between sets. back on your diet, how are you getting your carbs? pastas? i am plagued with the same thing....i've got to get my carbs via vegetables and GOOD grains...which is a fine line for me due to the amount of diabetics in my family. do you have chris carmichael's cookbooks....i've been following them religiously and it has helped. additionally, what fuels are you using during training....and how long/intense is your training? i know too many people that consume too many calories during training....they think they are burning more cals than they are. the only time i take on calories, ie gels and bars, during training is when i am doing 3+ hours on the bike. just think about this, if you are doing the standard 1 bottle an hour of sports drink AND consuming a gel AND recovery drink during a 1-1.5 hour training session there is an additional 300+ calories to your diet. Look into NUUN, MotorTabs or use Hammer Nutritions Endurolytes to replinish your electrolytes....that way you are consuming additional calories...and if need be you can focus on # of gels used and it's easier to track your calories. you stated you work nights....how is your sleep patterns? how many hours per day? is your job really stressful....all things that will add to the flab. I don't agree with the yahoo above stating you are doing too much cardio...that is complete BS! if you are going to do an iron man you are going to have to put in MANY MANY miles on the bike run and swim. look at what high glycemic foods you are consuming...bananas & etc. i'd be more than happy to help you out.

[samcam]

First off I am no endurance athlete and don't know too much about endurance training but I do see a couple problems with your diet already. Firstly you say you are 205 lbs. and consume 2200 kcals and are an endurance athlete! bro that is extremely low for any kind of athlete! I am 195lbs. and cutting right now, aproaching 10% and am starving to death on 2300kcals! Also you TRY to eat 4 meals a day? Bro you need to be eating a minimum of 6 times a day! I eat 9 meals a day and also work nights, have for almost 20 years, it just takes planning and how bad you want it. I would suggest increasing your calories to a maintenance level for a week or two to reset your metabolism, for you I would guess somewhere around 3500 kcals? or even more. Then slowly start dropping them again, around 200-300 calories a week until you start dropping the fat again. I really believe your body is in starvation mode which won't allow you to drop the fat, post your typical daily diet and we can work on that too.

[Triathlonc'dale]

O.k. I ate a big bowl of raisin bran for my first meal. Skim milk Guess 450 Cal
Four servings of egg beaters with 2 pieces of lunchmeat 1 kraft single made with skim milk Prob 300 cal

I am leaving for the gym in like thirty minutes.

As soon as I am done I will drink a Whey shake with 40 grams of protein and 260 calories.

A couple of hours later I will have deer steaks and a sweet potato.

Before I go to bed. I bag of popcorn 240 cal. 94% fat free.

[samcam]

O.k. I ate a big bowl of raisin bran for my first meal. Skim milk Guess 450 Cal
Four servings of egg beaters with 2 pieces of lunchmeat 1 kraft single made with skim milk Prob 300 cal

I am leaving for the gym in like thirty minutes.

As soon as I am done I will drink a Whey shake with 40 grams of protein and 260 calories.

A couple of hours later I will have deer steaks and a sweet potato.

Before I go to bed. I bag of popcorn 240 cal. 94% fat free.

Bro, I definitely think you need to spend some time over in the diet section and do alot more research on your own. No offense but that is about the worst diet I have seen.

[Canadiantiger]

You have several factors affecting your progress. 1)Your diet. Too low in cals, meal timing and post workout nutrition (no carbs/ simple sugars) 2)Your cardio. If I were to look at every enduance athlete I know a large number of them have the same problem. If I were to look at the explosive athletes I know most are ripped(sprinters). Long periods of cardio as in marathons the body stops using fat as energy and turns to muscle instead.
I would suggest one or two days a week of HIIT training in morning on empty stomach and drop some of your lengthy cardio suggestions as well as some research in the diet section.