two ideas please help select one

[intensityfreak]

uh i am 22. did one cycle of test e and eq. 6'1 255. 12% bf.
i have 4 months before season, i need to get one cycle in and put on some good weight. i need for all the water weight to be gone before season so my speed can come back and be maximized. i also want to get use the weight i put on.
so i was wondering if i should go with short esterd or long esterd.
i was going to eithor go with deca npp and test p or deca durabolin and test e.
please tell why you think i should go with whatever.

[shifty_git]

If you wanna keep water to a min go for short esters..

Test P and NPP is a great combo!

[mx3]

prop and npp.

[intensityfreak]

would my weight gains go up if i did a long cycle with test e and deca rather than a short ester

[mx3]

You could gain more weight on long esters because you will hold more water but as far as muscle goes imo you can gain as much muscle on a 8 wk short ester cycle as you can on a 12 wk long ester cycle, but you will keep water retention down better with short esters and you will have more time to recover before your season starts.

[intensityfreak]

would 25lbs be too much to ask for in a short 8 week cylce with little water retention

[mx3]

it just depends on your diet. with a great diet its doable but I would expect more like 15 or 20 with little water retention. You have too remember when people do long estered bulking cycles that last 10,12,14, wks and they gain 20-30lbs they have alot of fat and water some people want that and others dont.

[Discipline_1]

hey intensify, you never mentioned what you are training for (sport, or...), you just stated its 4 months until next season... just wanted to make sure you are not getting tested for whatever you are training for, especially if you deside to go with deca

but as for your options... at 6'1" 255 with only 12% bodyfat, you have a great frame from the sounds, i would also go with the short estered compounds, have an AI on hand if the water gets to be too much, if you end up doing the long estered then try frontloading to cut the cycle time down

[intensityfreak]

hold on i thought people just frontloaded to have the stuff kink in faster. not to cut down the lenght of the cycle. how does that work. i dont think the ncaa is going to be around anytime soon so i should be straight.

[Discipline_1]

deca with the undec. ester is in your system for around 18 months, so beware

hold on i thought people just frontloaded to have the stuff kink in faster. not to cut down the lenght of the cycle. how does that work. i dont think the ncaa is going to be around anytime soon so i should be straight.

and yes people frontload to have their respective compounds kick in faster, and this at the same time allows you to run your cycle for a shorter duration since you are not waiting as long for the esters to allow the gains to start

[intensityfreak]

okay if i front load how much should i cut my cycle down by.

[Discipline_1]

okay if i front load how much should i cut my cycle down by.

it depends on what path you go about frontloading, some like to double the first injection and then start injecting the desired amount there on (if you were going to run 500mg/wk of test e, then frontload with 1000mg the first week then 500mg there out)
or some like to frontload that same cycle by doing 750mg the first two weeks, then 500mg there after

do a search on frontloading, there are two good threads that thoroughly explain it well, good luck

[PT]

i would go for the deca and test enth and run it with armidex to keep the water off