2nd Cycle

[FortKnox36]

Age: 21
Weight:197
BF:9%
Cycle History: 1 Previous (Test/Winny/Clen )

Sup Fellas,

I'm back to the board. It has been sometime, but I am startin to think about gettin that extra edge again.

So I am wanting to apply another cycle into my active lifestyle. I bike everywhere (DUI suspension), Run a bit, Flag football and pump the iron EOD.

I am wondering about HGH. From my understanding...the muscle mass gain from HGH will take up to 6 months of use, but the gains are permenant.
Is this correct?

Well 5day on/weekend off(SAt SUn)
4IU/day (one injection right when I wake)

..this is the rough draft...any suggestions?

From my understanding no PCT is necessary. Correct?

I am not looking to do anything too crazy, just a little edge in the gym, but I would like to know a suggestion for a good stack with HGH. Any suggestions?

Well thanks guys for the advice,

C

[shifty_git]

I personally wouldnt bother with HGH as a mass builder.. If yous earch through the HGH section most guys say only upward of 10iu per day will give mass, and to me the price far outweights the benefits.

4iu per day is only good for anti-aging / wellbeing benefits. (although a lot of people get sides like bad wrists even at the dose)

id go with a test cycle again fella...

[FortKnox36]

Sorry for the for my lack of knowledge of HGH.

I have never researched it really, but the rant it has been getting in the media kinda sparked my interest.

From what I hear is that basically HGH puts new cells into your body; whereas testosterone pumps up your cells.

Does this sound at all accurate?

[shifty_git]

yeah HGH can create new muscle fibers.. the only compund out there that can do that..
but to do that it needs to ran at the higher dose..

Even though you dont need a pct, at the higher dose there are sides.. HGH face (funny looking chin shape), HGH gut (ronnie colman, IGF-2 related), carpal tunnel syndrome of the wists... to name a few.

A lot of guys feel HGH is over rated, and only real use for it is when its used as 'the icing on the top of the cake'

[FortKnox36]

Thanks for the advice, but I'd like to go a little more into those sides.

Is the chin/gut say just as common as...shrinking of nuts, loss of child producing capabilities with testosterone ?

Are the the same ratio in other words.

I ran my test E at 250/week and winny 50 ed (1-12...1-6) and had pretty good results.

Some would say that that was a low dose of test E but it did ok for me.

Now would say...6IU of HGH/ed be comparable to the 250/test E.

So maybe if I ran some kind of stacked with it...may be a pretty good edge?

WHat do you think?

[BamaBoy24]

From what i hear of hgh, it sounds very interesting. What you said sounds accurate but take it from me im not an expert on it. I wonder if you can do a cycle while running hgh?

[shifty_git]

Thanks for the advice, but I'd like to go a little more into those sides.

Is the chin/gut say just as common as...shrinking of nuts, loss of child producing capabilities with testosterone ? Most the sides are more likely at higher doses.. so probably less common than aas sides.. except for the tingle in the wrists (mild carpal tunnel syndrome)

Are the the same ratio in other words.

I ran my test E at 250/week and winny 50 ed (1-12...1-6) and had pretty good results.

Some would say that that was a low dose of test E but it did ok for me.

Now would say...6IU of HGH/ed be comparable to the 250/test E. Well everyone will be different.. but at 6iu you most likely wont get any serious sides.. but then probably not huge benefits either

So maybe if I ran some kind of stacked with it...may be a pretty good edge?
Most guys will run it 6-8 months and do a cycle at somepoint in that time.

WHat do you think?

Reply in bold ^^^

But also, at 21 your natty HGH levels will still be in the natty higher range.. so maybe best to utalize that while there still higher and think about HGH at a later stage.

Im not an expert on HGH by any means, but from my own interest in the compound these are my personal conclusions.

[FortKnox36]

-You stated earlier that HGH needed to be ran at a higher dosage to increase the growth of muscle fibers..even as much as 10iu/day.

What's the extent of your knowledge with this? Do you know why muscle fibers wouldnt increase with as little as 4iu/day?

I think we both agreed that HGH builds new cells, so wouldnt one new cell make me better off? (putting price aside)

-Some info about what I want to stack with my HGH:
I do not want to shut down my natural production of test.
I wanna keep natural levels as normal as possible.

Maybe some clen again?

[FortKnox36]

Goals:

More striations---Extra edge (pump/energy) in the gym---fat loss---slight muscle gain, but mostly toneness.

[shifty_git]

-You stated earlier that HGH needed to be ran at a higher dosage to increase the growth of muscle fibers..even as much as 10iu/day.

What's the extent of your knowledge with this? Do you know why muscle fibers wouldnt increase with as little as 4iu/day?

I think we both agreed that HGH builds new cells, so wouldnt one new cell make me better off? (putting price aside)

-Some info about what I want to stack with my HGH:
I do not want to shut down my natural production of test.
I wanna keep natural levels as normal as possible.

Maybe some clen again?

Well think that even the lower doses will promote some level of new fiber growth, so like you say, one fiber extra is better than no extra fiber.. so does come down to the price part.

I'll do some more research into what the optimum amount of iu's is, and the reasons behind it.

Im also interested in HGH and will probably run it for 8 months next year at around 8-10iu's per day.. so doing as much research as possible.

Any aas cycle is going to suppress / shut down ya natty test production.. which is the point of doing a PCT.. but if your goals are to get that edge maybe a test / eq cycle might be good... something like tren will kill ya cardio.. although with eq in the cycle it might/should help on that front.

[shifty_git]

Great thread in the HGH section by Red Barron..
Lots of info on sides and how to deal with them.. you will notice its starts getting complicated and a lot of hassle...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265314

if you go in the HGH section you will see threads like 'my wrists' stating peoples own experiences with the sides.

[FortKnox36]

thanks man for the help. I think I am gonna stay away from HGH for the time being. I'll save it for when I reach my 30's. Seems more usefull then. Thanks again.

C