Pyramiding tbol...guess I am old school

[TOOBAD]

I have been having some serious sides with tbol. I have posted a few threads about it, can't figure out why but I am going to try pyramiding for a couple of reasons.

1) It will ease my body into a higher dose that I can tolerate.
2) By starting low and ending low (10mg ed) I can stretch it out from week 3 all the way up to the start of my PCT.
3) I also think it will help coming off the cycle all together.

Here is my revised cycle:

wk 1 test e 500mg / 40 mg tbol (that didn't work)
wk 2 test e 500mg/ 40 mg tbol (stopped the tbol and sides stopped)
this is where I am at in my cycle
wk 3 test e 500mg/ 10mg tbol ed
wk 4 test e 500mg/ 15mg tbol ed
wk 5 test e 500mg/ 20mg tbol ed
wk 6 test e 500mg/ 25mg tbol ed
wk 7 test e 500mg/ 30mg tbol ed
wk 8 test e 500mg/ 35mg tbol ed
wk 9 test e 500mg/ 40mg tbol ed
wk 10 test e 500mg/ 35mg tbol ed
wk 11 test e 500mg/ 30mg tbol ed
wk 12 test e 500mg/ 25mg tbol ed

wk 13 20mg tbol ed
wk 14 15mg tbol ed

wk 15-18 clomid/nolva for PCT

I think the test e will keep my blood levels stable and pyramiding the tbol will help with the sides. I tried taking 40mg ed right out of the gate and felt lethargic, depressed, basically everything you shouldn't feel taking 500mg test e ew.

Anyone have any input, suggestions or constructive criticism?

[samcam]

You were taking 40mg tbol and after 1 week you had severe sides? What kind of sides? I was taking 60mg tbol and didn't feel a thing until week 4.

[TOOBAD]

You were taking 40mg tbol and after 1 week you had severe sides? What kind of sides? I was taking 60mg tbol and didn't feel a thing until week 4.

I know it sounds bizarre but all I wanted to do was sleep. I had depression and was lethargic. Like I said, everything you shouldn't get from taking 500mg of test ew. My conclusion was that it was just taking too much of a toll on my body so I had to stop it.

[Prada]

1)Actually if anything, tapering the dosage will increase sides.
2)12 weeks of orals not a very good idea.
3)Again no tapering you have to have stable amounts and blood levels.
4)Nolva and clomid is not the greatest PCT. Aromasin is a better choice

[TOOBAD]

I have l-dex on hand if I need it. As for the long oral cycle, I thought since it was being ran with several weeks at low doses it wouldn't matter too much. And if I do get unstable blood levels, i don't think it can be much worse than the first two weeks of my cycle....that was rough!

[soccer#3]

i got that side too. i could sleep all day. just fight thru it.

[samcam]

4)Nolva and clomid is not the greatest PCT. Aromasin is a better choice

What's wrong with a Nolva/Clomid PCT? Never heard that one before, that's what I use all the time.

[TOOBAD]

Yea I was thinking my PCT was in check. I might add some HCG for my next test/deca cycle.

Today was my first day at 10mg but so far so good. Anyone have any experiences with pyramiding any type of orals, ecspecially tbol?

[Prada]

Nothing is really wrong with a Clomid and Nolva per se. Its just not the most efficient combo out there. Rather then use two SERMs, I prefer using Nolva and Emestane. However if you cant get any better, then yes Clomid and Nolva would be acceptable.

Again, I reiterate that you shouldn't be pyramiding or tapering hormones.

[juicedapple463]

definetly if you can get a serm and an AI for pct, and in my experience tapering brings more sides, but if works for you then do it.

[TOOBAD]

I know everyone says do not taper, however, when you go to the doctor and get put on some type of steroid , they taper you off of them. Are the one's we are using any different?

Also, do you suggest I use nolva and l-dex for PCT? I thought these two did the same thing but just in defferent strengths (for the most part). I would rather leave out the clomid if I could but most of the threads I read on here say to include it.

[Prada]

FYI:http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Not really necessary to use HCG . Point is to have a SERM/AI combo. Preferably