First Cycle, Jaw Issues, HELP

[Mr.Wong]

I am on my third week into my cycle, I have within the past few days noticed that when I am eating my jaw gets super tight and actually gets a visable knot on both sides, it looks very f**ked up for ten or so minutes after eating. Has anyone had this experience? Is it facial muscle growth? Anyway heres may cycle again I am on week#3

1. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
2. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
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11. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
12. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
13. nolva 20mg/ED
14. nolva 20mg/ED
15. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 20mg/ED
16. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 10mg/ED
17. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 10mg/ED

[Merc..]

Moving to steroid Q&A as you should get a better response to your question there .. Take care to post in the proper forums...

Thanks

Merc.

[cj1capp]

not sure the two related but here is some info

* Your jaw hurts, especially when you talk, yawn or chew.

* You can't open your mouth more than two inches.

* You also feel pain in your neck, shoulders or ears.

What Your Symptom Is Telling You

The jawbone's connected to the head bone—that much we know for sure. We also know that the joint we laypeople call the jaw is referred to by doctors as the temporomandibular joint. When it isn't working right, doctors say you have temporomandibular joint disorder (TMD or TMJ). From there, though, certainty fades amid assorted and often contradictory claims about the most common causes of jaw problems.

TMD "is the most vague area in dentistry," says Van B. Haywood, D.M.D., an associate professor in the Department of Operative Dentistry at the University of North Carolina School of Dentistry in Chapel Hill. "Causes and effects can be very confusing."

One manifestation of TMD is pain in the face or head. TMD may create an audible click when you open and close your mouth. (If you have that clicking though, it doesn't necessarily mean you have TMD.) The joint can become inflamed and swollen. The damaged joint could lock your jaw open or closed. The muscles and ligaments could lose their elasticity, and you might develop a receding chin. The injury also can cause headaches, toothaches and ringing in the ears.

The jaw muscles and ligaments can hurt on their own, but they can also send pain to muscles in other places, such as your neck and shoulder, says Brendan C. Stack, Sr., D.D.S., an orthodontist and president of the National Capital Center for Craniofacial Pain in Vienna, Virginia, and past president of the American Academy of Head, Neck, Facial Pain and TMJ Orthopedics.

The possible culprits of TMD are many. It could be arthritis, which can just as easily affect your jaw joint as any other joint in the body.

Improper alignment of teeth could also tax the joint. Sometimes a whack to the jaw area can set TMD in motion. Teeth grinding and tight facial muscles brought on by stress can exacerbate the problem.

Finally, sinus infections and toothaches can put pressure on the muscles in your face, making you think you have TMD when you actually don't, Dr. Stack says.

Symptom Relief

Because there's so much guesswork involved in getting to the source of your jaw problem, many things might work alone or together to ease your discomfort. Before you take your problem to the experts, here are a few things you should know and try.

Save the knife for last. Don't be tempted or persuaded to seek a fast surgical solution to your jaw problem, Dr. Haywood says. "First we identify bad habits or stresses that could contribute to the problem," he says, then we look at things structurally and functionally. Surgery to realign the jaw or teeth is a last resort. You may be able to treat the pain by taking a common analgesic like aspirin."

Don't take it on your chin. If you have jaw pain, the best sleeping position is on your back or on your side, Dr. Haywood says. Sleeping on your stomach pushes the head to one side and places a lot of pressure on the jaw.

Press for less stress. A lot of people manifest stress by tightening muscles in their face and neck. Try to consciously relax these muscles as you go about your daily business. Keep your mouth closed but your teeth slightly apart. "If you walk with your fists clenched up, you're going to get a charley horse in your arm," says Dr. Haywood. "That's what happens when you go around with your teeth clenched."

Guard your mouth. An orthodontist or dentist practiced in treating TMD can devise a special mouthguard to realign your jaw, decompress your jaw joint and get your face muscle to relax, says Dr. Stack. The guard clasps onto your teeth in the back of your mouth, hidden from view.

Find an expert. Members of the American Academy of Head, Neck, Facial Pain and TMJ Orthopedics are specialists in the whole murky area of jaw problems, Dr. Stack says. You can obtain a referral to an expert in your area by calling their national office in Fort Worth, Texas.

[Mr.Wong]

Thanks for the detailed info

[Pooks]

my guess is Its a pump..

too much blood flow into the muscles in your jaw.

Are u getting massive pumps in your workouts too?
(not in the jaw obviously, but the muscle groups u'r working)

[Mr.Wong]

Thats what it feels like, just concerned about the unsightlyness of it, but its not so obvious after a few minutes. As for the pumps, I am getting some pretty good ones.

Thanx Again

[kfrost06]

basic test cycle looks good, you may want to add some proviron to it. Proviron will make the test work better. Also, no need for the hcg and if you do use it continue the nolva afterwards but no need for it.

[JTheRock7]

basic test cycle looks good, you may want to add some proviron to it. Proviron will make the test work better. Also, no need for the hcg and if you do use it continue the nolva afterwards but no need for it.

you really think he needs .5 mg of letro every day? that seems like it may be a little too much. Do you know you are gyno prone??

[kfrost06]

you really think he needs .5 mg of letro every day? that seems like it may be a little too much. Do you know you are gyno prone??

oh wow, I missed that one. I would hold off altogether on the letro, have it on hand "just in case". You likely won't need it at all during cycle espically if you take proviron which acts as a mild AI. Good call Rock!

[rickybobby24]

I am on my third week into my cycle, I have within the past few days noticed that when I am eating my jaw gets super tight and actually gets a visable knot on both sides, it looks very f**ked up for ten or so minutes after eating. Has anyone had this experience? Is it facial muscle growth? Anyway heres may cycle again I am on week#3

1. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
2. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
3. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED *
4. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
5. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
6. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
7. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
8. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
9. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
10. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
11. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
12. test enan 400mg femara.5mg/ED
13. nolva 20mg/ED
14. nolva 20mg/ED
15. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 20mg/ED
16. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 10mg/ED
17. HCG 1500 units/wk nolva 10mg/ED

shouldnt he not start nolva until week 14?

[JTheRock7]

oh wow, I missed that one. I would hold off altogether on the letro, have it on hand "just in case". You likely won't need it at all during cycle espically if you take proviron which acts as a mild AI. Good call Rock!

yea no doubt man. i was also thinking that since estrogen does have an effect on joints and things like that. would it be possible that the letro has decreases his estrogen levels to a point where he is experiencing pain in jaws due to that lack of estrogen, since that is a joint? albeit it is pretty out there, but maybe it is possible that instead of elbow joint pain he is experiencing joint pain in the jaw? or maybe this was a catalyst to possible TMD or TMJ, as previously posted? IDK if thats too farfetched just thinking though.

[jbonez19]

shouldnt he not start nolva until week 14?

yeah i would have thought minimum 9 days after last test shot.

[JTheRock7]

yeah i would have thought minimum 9 days after last test shot.

yea usually pct starts 2 weeks afetr the last test shot when dealing with test enth r test cyp. so ur probably rite, but he has using been using letro (femara) and that is a very strong AI that can have an estrogen rebound, so maybe hes starting the nolva early to combat that.

[tzs68]

do you chew gum? my 1st cycle i was chewing a lot of gum. its totally common sense, but like 1/2 way through the cycle i started having a similar problem and then realized i was basically working out my chewing muscles. duh. i stopped and the problem went away.

[Mr.Wong]

The reason I am using the letro is I had some sensitivity in the nipples that started in week two; actually it's more of a constant tweaking at the tip of the nipples not behind the nipples. So with that I figured that the letro wouldn't hurt as the symtoms could be a precursor to gyno.

As far as the HCG my thoughts are that once the cycle it stopped I would use It to kickstart my natural test to preserve the gains and of course Nolva for the transition from the letro/femara.

This is my first cycle so maybe Im just paranoid because Gyno seems to be a huge concern among most all bodybuilders especially when using cyp or enan. As far as the jaw issue I am convinced that it is a pumped muscle because I do chew a hella lot of gum and theres no pain in the jaw, just a knot in the muscle.
thanx a ton guys!

[ZaneFan]

my guess is Its a pump..

too much blood flow into the muscles in your jaw.

Are u getting massive pumps in your workouts too?
(not in the jaw obviously, but the muscle groups u'r working)

That happens to me. My jaw muscles up near my temple get pumped and visibly swollen.

[KorperTrainerung]

Do you notice any soreness in your teeth or jaw when you awaken in the morning? Like CJ said, you could also be developing TMJ from grinding and clenching your teeth at night.

[Mr.Wong]

no pain what so ever just a huge knot in the muscle when I chew. It i so visible that my girlfriend noticed it and freaked out, I looked like godamn frankinstein for about 10 min.

[ZaneFan]

no pain what so ever just a huge knot in the muscle when I chew. It i so visible that my girlfriend noticed it and freaked out, I looked like godamn frankinstein for about 10 min.

When you are in an anabolic state all muscles are under the influence.

[Njord]

That happens to me. My jaw muscles up near my temple get pumped and visibly swollen.

I have had this happen as well. Have to stop and rest before I chew again.