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    Need some help, New guy here...

    Im kinda confused and Im hoping that you guys can help me out. Im 21 and ive been lifting weights since I was 15. I weigh between 191-195 and im 5'7 and im between 10-14% body fat. I hit the gym for about 2 hours 4-5 days a week and my diet is pretty solid as well 3500-4500 calories a day. This will be my fourth cycle and I know this has been asked 10,000 times and yes I have searched this forum pretty good but I am still confused, im also blonde so that might explain it anyways. I just picked up some Winny and some decca I was told to do 1 cc of whinny every 3 days and 1cc of decca once a week. Using the decca for 3 months and the winny for 1 month. I was also told that I didn't need to take anything else with this cycle and that I should take novidex and clomid when I come off which is a no brainer.

    1. Am I taking the proper does of each? (if not how many cc's-how often)
    2. Is it ok to cycle with both?
    3. I was told that I should have no sexual disfuncton as well (is this true)
    4. Any other advise would be great, and thanks.

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    Who ever suggested that cycle needs to be kicked in the balls...

    4 cycles at 21? when you do ya first one?

    p.s. - deca only.. never heard of deca dick?

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    First of all, welcome to the AR...

    Secondly, I agree with shifty, but two kicks would be better....saying 1cc doesn't help us know what dosage the compound is delivered. Is it 1cc/200mg or what? Also, if this is your 4 cycle then you should know that deca should be run 3.5days and some form of test should be used with it. What is your goal for this cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10nispro View Post
    First of all, welcome to the AR...

    Secondly, I agree with shifty, but two kicks would be better....saying 1cc doesn't help us know what dosage the compound is delivered. Is it 1cc/200mg or what? Also, if this is your 4 cycle then you should know that deca should be run 3.5days and some form of test should be used with it. What is your goal for this cycle?


    1cc for me is 50mg sorry. I was just looking to gain 10-15 pounds of lean muscle. I hit my sealing and no matter how much protein I consume or how hard I lift I cann't gain anymore so I was just looking for a little extra... btw I never used niddles before so all this cc's, mg, ml or all new im still trying to learn the proper dosage and measurements. I wish I found this site before I actually went out and bought the shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joescobra03 View Post
    1cc for me is 50mg sorry. I was just looking to gain 10-15 pounds of lean muscle. I hit my sealing and no matter how much protein I consume or how hard I lift I cann't gain anymore so I was just looking for a little extra... btw I never used niddles before so all this cc's, mg, ml or all new im still trying to learn the proper dosage and measurements. I wish I found this site before I actually went out and bought the shit.
    mg is a dose measurement
    ml is a liquid measurement

    1ml and 1cc are the same thing.

    most gear has printed on it somewhere something that should look like..
    50mg/ml = so 50mg per 1ml.
    250mg/ml = 250mg per 1ml.
    etc etc.

    Any steroid you put in your system will shut off or severly suppress your natty test production.

    Only Test is Test, so if you use deca , winny, tren etc etc you will benefit from those compounds but they will not supply the Test your system needs.

    Think what Test does for you.. Growth and sex drive being the main 2 you want to worry about.

    Test should be the base of any cycle.. even if its a low HRT dose. (150mg to 200mg per week usually)

    Hope that helps on starting to try and figure out a good cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git View Post
    mg is a dose measurement
    ml is a liquid measurement

    1ml and 1cc are the same thing.

    most gear has printed on it somewhere something that should look like..
    50mg/ml = so 50mg per 1ml.
    250mg/ml = 250mg per 1ml.
    etc etc.

    Any steroid you put in your system will shut off or severly suppress your natty test production.

    Only Test is Test, so if you use deca , winny, tren etc etc you will benefit from those compounds but they will not supply the Test your system needs.

    Think what Test does for you.. Growth and sex drive being the main 2 you want to worry about.

    Test should be the base of any cycle.. even if its a low HRT dose. (150mg to 200mg per week usually)

    Hope that helps on starting to try and figure out a good cycle.
    ya that helps out a ton thanks, so is their a best brand of test, or is test just test? If that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joescobra03 View Post
    ya that helps out a ton thanks, so is their a best brand of test, or is test just test? If that makes sense.
    well this is debatable...

    Test is Test...

    You will pay more for any aas that has been made by a pharm company, due to there reputation and knowing it should be 100% sterile.
    BUT..pharm grade stuff does get faked more, so you might pay more and end up with utter crap.

    Most guys go for a trusted UGL (under ground lab)..theregenerally cheaper, but go for a trusted one.. as some are made in the worst unsterile conditions imaginable.

    As for which 'type' of test.. (i.e which ester) read the profiles section and look at the different tests...

    For a begginer id suggest Test E or Test C as less frequent injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git View Post
    You will pay more for any aas that has been made by a pharm company, due to there reputation and knowing it should be 100% sterile.
    BUT..pharm grade stuff does get faked more, so you might pay more and end up with utter crap.

    Most guys go for a trusted UGL (under ground lab)..theregenerally cheaper, but go for a trusted one.. as some are made in the worst unsterile conditions imaginable.
    Where could I get more information regarding a trusted UGL? If you can answer that.

    I did some research on different easters and it seems that testosterone propionate is the safer choice (less side effects) even though it requires more injections, your thoughts on this?

    keep the info coming and thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joescobra03 View Post
    Where could I get more information regarding a trusted UGL? If you can answer that.

    I did some research on different easters and it seems that testosterone propionate is the safer choice (less side effects) even though it requires more injections, your thoughts on this?

    keep the info coming and thanks.
    kinda right but kinda wrong...

    maybe a little less water with the shorter ester, but normally is so minimal its not worth worrying about.

    and any estro sides can be combated with an AI like arimidex , or just lowering ya dose slightly... and you need a bit of estro to help gain. (check out mercs thread on estro and gains, will post the link in a sec)

    test e or c is much much easier for a first timer.

    as for ugls... well not allowed to mention names on here.. but find ya self a supplier of one (dont go asking on here) and PM a willing mod or vet, or just google there name with words like 'scammer' 'scam' etc next to it and see what results you get.

    try the guy you got ya other stuff from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git View Post
    kinda right but kinda wrong...

    maybe a little less water with the shorter ester, but normally is so minimal its not worth worrying about.

    and any estro sides can be combated with an AI like arimidex , or just lowering ya dose slightly... and you need a bit of estro to help gain. (check out mercs thread on estro and gains, will post the link in a sec)

    test e or c is much much easier for a first timer.

    try the guy you got ya other stuff from.

    ya I think testosterone e would be the better choice of the 3. How long can I take that with out getting to many side effects, every thing I have read says 10 weeks can I use for 12 weeks and be ok and also what dosage (I weigh 194)

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