newb considerations sus cycle (bulk)

[zartan]

Locally I have sus 250 available (supposedly human grade from a pharma), but research thus far indicates its probably not the best option for a first cycle. Although its a good gainer, general opinion here is that 4 esters = more chances for adverse side effects. Also a longer wait time before beginning PCT (which will likely be HCG/nolvadex).

It seems like all the esters in Sus still break down to test, so it shouldn't make much of a difference, but maybe each ester has its own potential for causing problems?

I dont have any other test available locally (here in the US of A) but maybe its worth the risk to order something domestically and start first cycle with a better suited product?

Test E requires longer time period to reach optimal test levels/start gaining and also is a long ester and so requires a long wait period after final injection to begin PCT. Newbs often start with 4 weeks dbol to kickstart things, but I want to stay on the safe side and see how my body reacts to the test in the first cycle. Although I do have dbol available Iocally it seems that isn't needed with sus as it contains some percentage (altho small) of prop. Frontloading is another option to get things rolling, although it doesn't seem like a lot of first cycle people are going this route. I dunno if its good to just flood the body with a long running ester like that when you dont know your own tolerances/reaction.

Test Prop seems like the best option, the only drawback being that some people seem to think it causes more soreness after injections then E or Sus and requires at least EOD injections. Heating the oil and massaging injection area may help with this. Test Prop will quickly reach optimal levels which means you see gains sooner and can stay on it for a shorter cycle 8-10 weeks as apposed to minimum 10-12 weeks for Test E or Sus. Prop also leaves the body quickly meaning if start seeing sides you wont have to wait as long for it to leave your system, also you can begin PCT quickly and hopefully ramp up your body's test production sooner at the end of a cycle.

Anyways, thats my research so far, all opinions welcome

[zartan]

Anyone have some feedback? trying to educate a little more through discussion.

[PT]

i wouldnt use the prop because that requires everyday injections and they hurt and you probably wont enjoy that for your 1st cycle. i would go with test enth or cyp but if you cant get it then go with what you can get(sust). if you do get the sust i would shoot twice a week with a 250mg injection on monday and another 250mg injection on friday. sust has 2 shorter esters in it which is why myself and others inject it eod but you can definatly get away with 2 shots a week for your first cycle and you'll have nice gains. good luck bro. obviously you did your homework unlike most newbies so you shouldnt have any problems

[soulstealer]

Locally I have sus 250 available (supposedly human grade from a pharma), but research thus far indicates its probably not the best option for a first cycle. Although its a good gainer, general opinion here is that 4 esters = more chances for adverse side effects. Also a longer wait time before beginning PCT (which will likely be HCG/nolvadex).

It seems like all the esters in Sus still break down to test, so it shouldn't make much of a difference, but maybe each ester has its own potential for causing problems?

I dont have any other test available locally (here in the US of A) but maybe its worth the risk to order something domestically and start first cycle with a better suited product?

Test E requires longer time period to reach optimal test levels/start gaining and also is a long ester and so requires a long wait period after final injection to begin PCT. Newbs often start with 4 weeks dbol to kickstart things, but I want to stay on the safe side and see how my body reacts to the test in the first cycle. Although I do have dbol available Iocally it seems that isn't needed with sus as it contains some percentage (altho small) of prop. Frontloading is another option to get things rolling, although it doesn't seem like a lot of first cycle people are going this route. I dunno if its good to just flood the body with a long running ester like that when you dont know your own tolerances/reaction.

Test Prop seems like the best option, the only drawback being that some people seem to think it causes more soreness after injections then E or Sus and requires at least EOD injections. Heating the oil and massaging injection area may help with this. Test Prop will quickly reach optimal levels which means you see gains sooner and can stay on it for a shorter cycle 8-10 weeks as apposed to minimum 10-12 weeks for Test E or Sus. Prop also leaves the body quickly meaning if start seeing sides you wont have to wait as long for it to leave your system, also you can begin PCT quickly and hopefully ramp up your body's test production sooner at the end of a cycle.

Anyways, thats my research so far, all opinions welcome

Dude people done "Seem to think" prop hurts it fkin hurts and sometimes it can cripple you.... stay away from the prop your first cycle trust me....

[zartan]

Dude people done "Seem to think" prop hurts it fkin hurts and sometimes it can cripple you.... stay away from the prop your first cycle trust me....

haha sorry I definately didnt mean to understate the pain... just some people say its bad and some dont. What about the prop in sus 250, is that just a small enough amount that it doesn't matter?

[Ashop]

Anyone have some feedback? trying to educate a little more through discussion.

my early years were all SUST cycles and I made great gains. I think people give SUST too little credit.

[Budk024]

I did a sus only cycle and I had amazing gains and virtually no pain from injections at all. It is a good first cycle. The only difference was that I was shooting e3d and when the gear first kicked in I bloated up like a fish but rest of cycle was good after I got control of it. Glad to see you did your homework before posting cuz as you can tell there are alot of others that do not.

[taiboxa]

Dude people done "Seem to think" prop hurts it fkin hurts and sometimes it can cripple you.... stay away from the prop your first cycle trust me....

you get used to it..

[Nstart]

My first cycle was sus only and I made huge gains. I loved it and besides some acne I did not experience any other side-effects.

[STED]

Prop isnt to bad IMO, but ye agreed for a 1st cycle its not the best! Sus can sting a little sometimes.