Test Injects VS Over The Counter Enhancers.....

[Synyster]

Of course injects are much more potent than your average testosterone enhancers sold in local stores. however, test injects tend to increase estrogen at an alarming rate and somewhat pause your natural ability to make test. right?? well im wondering will test enhancers/boosters sold in GNC/Vitamin Shoppe will do a good job without pausing your own ability to produce test and without raises estrogen!!! itll be trully suck if i start to grow titties!!! LMAO!!

[VTliftVT]

what "test enhancers/boosters" are you referring to? Supplements such as tribulus or are you referring to prohormones?

[Synyster]

what "test enhancers/boosters" are you referring to? Supplements such as tribulus or are you referring to prohormones?

just stuff like T-Bomb, Gamm-O, 17HD....stuff like that

[VTliftVT]

just stuff like T-Bomb, Gamm-O, 17HD....stuff like that

Well T-Bomb is a completely different product to the likes of 17HD. T-Bomb uses tribulus (natural herb) where as 17-HD is a prohormone. I would never touch pro-hormones, or atleast at this stage of their production until there is more knowledge out there. Many people have had awful side-effects from them, gyno inducive (even thought many claim they cant be converted into estrogen), and just overall much harder on the liver.

T-Bomb and other tribulus derived products, I feel just plain don't work. You can get horny off of them, you can feel a "charge of energy" but in the end, your test levels will not be raised outside of the normal range. If you are just trying to get big at this point and want to resort to these supplements, I would say to save your money and spend it on a steak. Eat, lift, sleep, grow, repeat.

[Synyster]

good info. ive actually been doing alot of studying on Test Cyp as of late. however, my goal is geared more to fat burning, muscle growth. not neccessarily overall growth. does that make sense? in other words im not trying to become a bouncer. ive also read up on Winstrol but that shyt seems to have some really bad sides. i guess its all about taking the lesser of the two evils. im mature enough now to go "outside" of the box and purchase some good stuff.

[Synyster]

plus i stopped eating red meat.

[VTliftVT]

plus i stopped eating red meat.

OMG...you are banned from the bodybuilding world! J/K

I am not saying this from an biased point of view but before you decide to jump into AAS do your research. Know your gear, your PCT, and dangers and anything and everything else you possibly can.

For example, you seemed to portray that you would want to run winny alone without test, not a good idea, winny is supressive to some extent on your hormone production and you would be warranted to run it with some form of test.

For your goals, that is something completely acheivable. There is a lot of gear out there which can help add lean bodymass in quality form as well as lower your overall BF%.

Read up for a while and balance and weigh your options. If you do decide you would like to run a cycle and want some help/knowledge PM me or hit up the board. I'll forwarn you that if you start asking about cycles etc on the board and its your first cycle, and you are the least bit unknowledgeable regarding the cycle, you'll probably catch a little heat from all of the flames. I can't say more than please read up first and know your stuff and bee 100% committed to it. It's your body, you have it for the rest of your life, don't epph it up over trying to put on a few lb's of lean muscle.

[Synyster]

heylet me be a little more forth coming. ive ran a cycle of clen a while back. so im not totally new to the AAS world. before i go out and buy anything i will study it.....just like im studying the hell out of the different forms of Testosterone. im 5'10", about 197 lbs and 30 years of age. theres no way i should be 197lbs!!! i dont look sloppy but im still not satisfied. my diet hasnt been the greatest in the world like some folks in the forum claim but that can be straightened out fairly quickly.

[VTliftVT]

heylet me be a little more forth coming. ive ran a cycle of clen a while back. so im not totally new to the AAS world. before i go out and buy anything i will study it.....just like im studying the hell out of the different forms of Testosterone. im 5'10", about 197 lbs and 30 years of age. theres no way i should be 197lbs!!! i dont look sloppy but im still not satisfied. my diet hasnt been the greatest in the world like some folks in the forum claim but that can be straightened out fairly quickly.

Clen is a different animal compared to what AAS can do to your body however, good thing your doing your research.

I think one thing that could help is going to get your BF% checked and then using that to calculate your caloric intake to stay at maintenance (not gaining or losing). From that point subtract 500 calories a day from that maintenance level. Then compose a diet where as you are eating mostly low GI carbs (old fashioned oatmeal, sweet potatoes etc) in the morning with quality protein (chicken breast, tuna, etc.) and healthy fats (organic peanut butter etc). Keep your % of total carb intake low, something like 20-30% and eat no less than 40grams of protein at each meal 6-7 times a day. Keep your lifting routine going and incorporate 45 minutes of cardio at a low heart rate (130-140) and your fat will be coming off at a rate of around 1.5-2lbs a week which is where you want to be. Carbs should be ingested early in the morning and immediately after lifting and try to keep from eating them at night.

I figure you may already know all this but if not then there ya go.

[Synyster]

lol.... hey i appreciate it. i can always use a refresher course! believe me, its very hard not to eat red meat. its not so agonizing now. but the first two weeks were hell.

[VTliftVT]

If you were trying to go "outside of the box" as you put it, I would most definitely shoot for a test only cycle. Your gains, fat loss, BF% etc will all be moderated by your diet. If you are taking say Test E at 400mg/week and are eating a resticted calorie intake and performing your cardio, you will have minimal water retention (although some), and your body composition will more than likely change to include more lean body mass and a smaller BF%. Adding other gear in a stack isn't always the best idea and many times people stack gear that isn't synergetic. Your "keep gains" after a cycle of Test will be fairly good to great as long as you have the appropriate PCT.

[Synyster]

yeah from what i read, nolva is some of the best stuff to take after a Test cycle. clomid just seems a bit more harsh on the body than nolva. im not scared of needles though. hell im just got out of the air force last year and we were always going to get shots. but as i stated earlier, im leaning toward Test E or Test Cyp. i just cant see myself poking my ass cheeks more than 1-2 times a week.

[VTliftVT]

yeah from what i read, nolva is some of the best stuff to take after a Test cycle. clomid just seems a bit more harsh on the body than nolva. im not scared of needles though. hell im just got out of the air force last year and we were always going to get shots. but as i stated earlier, im leaning toward Test E or Test Cyp. i just cant see myself poking my ass cheeks more than 1-2 times a week.

I would go with the test e, you will be getting more test per gram than the cyp. which will make it more "worth the money." With test e I would suggest shooting once every 5 days. You could go once every week but once every five days will balance the test release into your blood stream more so your levels aren't fluctuating as much.

I would definitely go with the nolvadex. You shouldn't need much more than that. Ten days after you last shot begin taking 40mg/day for a week, then 30mg/day for a second week, and 20mg/day for the third week. I would definitely keep the nolva on hand during the cycle as well just in case you start to see any signs of gyno.

[Synyster]

yes sir!!! hey i appreciate the great info. however i have one final issue......my main inject site will be the glutes. secondary will be quads and shoulders. im thinking starting with a 22" or 23" gauge- 1.0" syringe/needle. however, i might need that 1.5 for easier extraction of the product. s.i.t.e.i.n.j.e.c.t.i.o.n.com is a pretty useful tool but i guess it just depends on which size you want to deal with.

[VTliftVT]

yes sir!!! hey i appreciate the great info. however i have one final issue......my main inject site will be the glutes. secondary will be quads and shoulders. im thinking starting with a 22" or 23" gauge- 1.0" syringe/needle. however, i might need that 1.5 for easier extraction of the product. s.i.t.e.i.n.j.e.c.t.i.o.n.com is a pretty useful tool but i guess it just depends on which size you want to deal with.

I say for the delts and quads the 23 or 25 guage 1" will do the trick. For my glutes I use 22 guage 1.5". The only problem you may have with a 25 guage is how darn long it takes to draw and inject with the smaller guage. You want to go slow obviously when injecting but you also don't want to be spending so much time in there that you irritate the site.

[Synyster]

25?? damn. yeah ill give 23 a chance and see how that works out. but for anymore specifics ill be sure to IM you. ill try to make a log of my progress. i just hope i dont forgot while im waiting forever and a day to get my gear.

[VTliftVT]

25?? damn. yeah ill give 23 a chance and see how that works out. but for anymore specifics ill be sure to IM you. ill try to make a log of my progress. i just hope i dont forgot while im waiting forever and a day to get my gear.

I personally dont reccomend the 25 guage for large injections (which I wasnt thinking about when I posted that) but I know a lot of people who use 22guage to draw with and the 25 guage to inject with when taking smaller injections. I wouldn't suggest it with the test though because of the amount you are taking...I guess I should have said the 25guage are for smaller injections such as prop when your shooting everyday. Definitely stick with the 23g.

Also, since you are shooting every 5 days, you probably wont need to incorporate your shoulders. If you can avoid it, its worth not dealing with the soreness. I would just do glutes and quads. Thats almost a month in between hitting the same injection spot which is plenty of time to not cause irritation.

Also, the larger the guage # the smaller the pin...just in case you weren't aware there. So a 22 is nice and big, 25, a lot smaller.

[Synyster]

true true..... more than likely, the same needle i use to extract the test will be the same that i inject. word is that once you penetrate the vial it microscopically(if thats a word) messes up the tip of the needle. hell i just give it a try once i get my gear.

[VTliftVT]

true true..... more than likely, the same needle i use to extract the test will be the same that i inject. word is that once you penetrate the vial it microscopically(if thats a word) messes up the tip of the needle. hell i just give it a try once i get my gear.

Yea, I usually use the same needle as well. I could never tell a difference on how "easy" the needle went in compared to using one I drew with compared to a fresh one. Let me know how everything goes.

[Synyster]

sure will vt..... well im off to find some good test e!!!!