First cycle critique (support the troops!)

[SFMikeS]

Ok guys here it is. I am 5'10" 190 lbs and around 10% BF, and 30 years old. This is my first cycle of injectables, I have used IDS Mass Tabs for 4 cycles over the past 2 years. I have read alot and done the homework and I just want to keep it simple but as all newbies do I have some questions. Here is the cycle:

wk 1-10 test E 500mg (split dose of 250mg M and Th)
wk 1-4 Dbol 25mg ED

I have access to everything where I am currently at (Afghanistan) and I was leaning towards this for PCT (10 days after last injection)

wk 1-4 aromasin 25mg ED
wk 1-6 nolva 20mg ED

I would like to run some estrogen protection during my cycle. I have no desire to experiment and see if I'm "estrogen sensitive" or "gyno prone". It just seems like there is too many ways to protect yourself to just take your chances. Plus I understand that once you get gyno you are more prone in the future. My question is what is the best thing to run during a cycle like this? I know that the strength of the AI's is arimidex then aromasin then letro. so i was thinking arimidex .25mg ED cause I know some estrogen is a good thing. Will this hinder gains? When should I stop it and switch to aromasin? Can I run aromasin the entire time and just roll right into PCT and if I do is the on-cycle dose different from the PCT dose? Lastly I don't think I need HCG for a cycle like this (but what do I know!) however I'm picking some up and will have it and if you think I need it then no worries. I will also have the letro on standby in case the worst happens. Thanks in advance for your input and time.

[VTliftVT]

Ok guys here it is. I am 5'10" 190 lbs and around 10% BF, and 30 years old. This is my first cycle of injectables, I have used IDS Mass Tabs for 4 cycles over the past 2 years. I have read alot and done the homework and I just want to keep it simple but as all newbies do I have some questions. Here is the cycle:

wk 1-10 test E 500mg (split dose of 250mg M and Th)
wk 1-4 Dbol 25mg ED

I have access to everything where I am currently at (Afghanistan) and I was leaning towards this for PCT (10 days after last injection)

wk 1-4 aromasin 25mg ED
wk 1-6 nolva 20mg ED

I would like to run some estrogen protection during my cycle. I have no desire to experiment and see if I'm "estrogen sensitive" or "gyno prone". It just seems like there is too many ways to protect yourself to just take your chances. Plus I understand that once you get gyno you are more prone in the future. My question is what is the best thing to run during a cycle like this? I know that the strength of the AI's is arimidex then aromasin then letro. so i was thinking arimidex .25mg ED cause I know some estrogen is a good thing. Will this hinder gains? When should I stop it and switch to aromasin? Can I run aromasin the entire time and just roll right into PCT and if I do is the on-cycle dose different from the PCT dose? Lastly I don't think I need HCG for a cycle like this (but what do I know!) however I'm picking some up and will have it and if you think I need it then no worries. I will also have the letro on standby in case the worst happens. Thanks in advance for your input and time.

Your cycle looks great, very standard and a great one to start off with.

Regarding your PCT. I wouldn't think that you would need either the aromasin or the HCG for this cycle. If you shut down your natural test production to the point where your balls shrank, then you may want to take it...but that likely wont be the case.

I would just run the cycle as you have it listed then 10 days after your last shot of Test E run nolvadex at 40mg/day for the 1st week, 30mg/day for the second, and 20/mg day for the third/fourth.

IF you are greatly concerned with gyno then all you would need is the arimidex .25 E OTHER D, or EOD not ED. This will hinder your gains a little (as stated, your body needs estrogen) but not by any great percentage. If I were you I would just keep it on hand and if your nipples start getting sore or swollen then take it. It's not like you will wake up one morning and start lactating.

[SFMikeS]

Just the Nolva for PCT huh? Interesting, thanks for the input

[MASTER]

Looks good dude, if you are worried about gyno during cycle, just run the nolva the whole way through. In fact I wouldn't run a cycle without nolva, unless it was heavy in which case id probs sub in some adex. You def don't need hcg for this either.

[Baba]

Thats a good cycle.

[PT]

Your cycle looks great, very standard and a great one to start off with.

Regarding your PCT. I wouldn't think that you would need either the aromasin or the HCG for this cycle. If you shut down your natural test production to the point where your balls shrank, then you may want to take it...but that likely wont be the case.

I would just run the cycle as you have it listed then 10 days after your last shot of Test E run nolvadex at 40mg/day for the 1st week, 30mg/day for the second, and 20/mg day for the third/fourth.

IF you are greatly concerned with gyno then all you would need is the arimidex .25 E OTHER D, or EOD not ED. This will hinder your gains a little (as stated, your body needs estrogen) but not by any great percentage. If I were you I would just keep it on hand and if your nipples start getting sore or swollen then take it. It's not like you will wake up one morning and start lactating.

this is exactly what you should do. if you can get hcg then you can shoot 500ius eod for 3 weeks during pct along with the nolva but if not no big deal. i run .25mgs of armidex eod during every cycle i do even though im not gyno prone. i cant stand feeling or looking bloated and that small dose of armidex really helps keep the water down

[jbonez19]

good luck bro. and thanks for doing a tough job. you guys really deserve everyones support. served with any aussies?

[SFMikeS]

Thanks for all the input guys, I just read Merc's huge post on the importance of estrogen and I know it is important but there is so much info around that it's easy to see how a newbie to AAS would be concerned. I mean over half the threads have guys reporting gyno in one form or another. The a-dex at .25 EOD seems decent, the nolva the whole way thru seems good too as it wont stop estrogen production just keep it from binding to my chest area. I may even drop the Dbol and stick with only one compound for my first cycle and run nothing along side (having it onhand of course) to see my tolerance. I am still doing the homework and I have time to decide, I definitely don't want to rush it. Yes I have been around some Aussie's, everyone usually loves them. Good dudes. Thanks again for the help.

[shifty_git]

Thanks for all the input guys, I just read Merc's huge post on the importance of estrogen and I know it is important but there is so much info around that it's easy to see how a newbie to AAS would be concerned. I mean over half the threads have guys reporting gyno in one form or another. The a-dex at .25 EOD seems decent, the nolva the whole way thru seems good too as it wont stop estrogen production just keep it from binding to my chest area. I may even drop the Dbol and stick with only one compound for my first cycle and run nothing along side (having it onhand of course) to see my tolerance. I am still doing the homework and I have time to decide, I definitely don't want to rush it. Yes I have been around some Aussie's, everyone usually loves them. Good dudes. Thanks again for the help.

If you decide your dead set against using any orals (i personally would as they do provide a great kickstart) or decide you do want to use them but keep them to a minimum, front load ya cycle.

Simple double dose on ya first jab will quicken things up.

Heres a thread on explaining frontloading.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=125401

[legobricks]

Nolva only for PCT? Not sufficient IMO as its taking on the role of two important things, controlling estrogen rebound AND restoring your natural testosterone production. Thats why the clomid and nolva have been used together for a while. Stick with aromasin and nolva for PCT.

[SFMikeS]

You guys are the best, I was begginning to wonder if I was going to get any feedback at all. I really want to use the Dbol as I hear its benefits for the begginning of a cycle are awesome, but the drawback is if I start showing bad sides I wont know what compound is causing them since this is my first cycle. Shifty or Lego, what do you think about running and AI or SERM during a cycle? This seems to be a huge topic lately. Is it better to run an AI and just keep the conversion down altogether or a SERM and let the estrogen form and just float around with nowhere to bind? Types and dosages of compounds would be appreciated. Thanks again guys.

[shifty_git]

You guys are the best, I was begginning to wonder if I was going to get any feedback at all. I really want to use the Dbol as I hear its benefits for the begginning of a cycle are awesome, but the drawback is if I start showing bad sides I wont know what compound is causing them since this is my first cycle. Shifty or Lego, what do you think about running and AI or SERM during a cycle? This seems to be a huge topic lately. Is it better to run an AI and just keep the conversion down altogether or a SERM and let the estrogen form and just float around with nowhere to bind? Types and dosages of compounds would be appreciated. Thanks again guys.

If your worried bout any bloat from the dbol just run it at a slightly lower dose.

I like an AI personally, but then thats all ive ever done...

Have done cycles with no AI or SERM and got a little water, but slightly puffy nips (not gyno)

Then done cycles with arimidex and had even less water but no puffy nips.

Stayed away from nolva and stuch with arimidex on my last cycle as it included npp and was worried it would have the same effect of Prog receptors as when taken with tren.

Best place to start when trying to avoid bloat is ya diet.. nice and clean with low sodium.

[SFMikeS]

Arimidex seems to be most guys favorite for running during a cycle. Were you running it ED? and at what dose?

[jbonez19]

i'm about to start my first. was recommended to me at .25eod, step up to ed if u get signs, and up to .5ed if u start to get real itchy or puffy. vets?

[shifty_git]

i'm about to start my first. was recommended to me at .25eod, step up to ed if u get signs, and up to .5ed if u start to get real itchy or puffy. vets?

sounds spot on to me!