This is my first cycle

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 03:30 AM

What do you think of it?

1-------8 week: deca 200mg/w + sustanon 250mg/w
4-------10week: nolvadex 10mg/d + proviron 25mg/d
11-12-13 week : 100mg clomid for 3 day ,and then 50mg/d
11-12-13 week : hcg 2000ui/w

14-----19 week primobolan depot 300mg/w + anavar 20mg/d
20-----23 week pct

I have reached the thirth week and i gain 4kg.

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 03:44 AM

whats ur stats like?

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 03:51 AM

179 cm height
84 kg weight
10% bf

i'm 21 years old, I have go to gym for 7 years

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 03:54 AM

Will this be your 1st Cycle?

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 03:55 AM

Ill wait before i respond again....

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 03:55 AM

Quickly hitting Gym. BRB +- 1h 20m

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 03:59 AM

Bye El see ya later
GT...Is this your first cycle?

And why that name written in italian?

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 04:00 AM

yes,this is my first cycle.
i'm italian.

**dupa95** · 03-14-2008, 04:14 AM

1 st cycle no good. Go and reaseach and you will find a good 1st cycle,and why this is a bad one for 1st.

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 04:22 AM

Finally another italian here...
And as most of the italians first cycle is a bad choice.
But you're lucky cause we're here to help you.
Your first cycle has to be replanned from the roots.
Now what about your diet macros?

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 04:33 AM

55 - 30 - 15

4000kcal

the diet is so good,I increase the kcals every week,but why this cycle is bad?

In Italy all we do this way and with good results.

**dupa95** · 03-14-2008, 04:48 AM

READ search you will findout why it is bad. Some one with REAL knowlage in Italy would say it a junk cycle. Single test for 1st cycle is text book. But what does Anthoney Roberts know

PT · 03-14-2008, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre

What do you think of it?

1-------8 week: deca 200mg/w + sustanon 250mg/w
4-------10week: nolvadex 10mg/d + proviron 25mg/d
11-12-13 week : 100mg clomid for 3 day ,and then 50mg/d
11-12-13 week : hcg 2000ui/w

14-----19 week primobolan depot 300mg/w + anavar 20mg/d
20-----23 week pct

I have reached the thirth week and i gain 4kg.

you need to scratch this and start all over. deca at 200mgs is useless and both deca and primo need to be run for 12 weeks. also 250mgs of test is to low. you need to run a 12 week cycle of 500mgs of test(sust) a week.

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 04:53 AM

only test?
the results got with the test don't maintain well

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre

55 - 30 - 15

4000kcal

the diet is so good,I increase the kcals every week,but why this cycle is bad?

In Italy all we do this way and with good results.

NO!
In Italy all people DO NOT do that way. Someone, but there is still someone that have the wise to inform his own instead of listening some gym badasses!

CL

PT · 03-14-2008, 05:22 AM

how do you know the results dont maintain well? you have never dona a cycle before and this one your starting is useless. it takes deca almost 6 weeks to kick in and your only running it for 8 so thats useless. actually even if you ran the deca for 12 weeks i doubt you'll see results off only 200mgs a week. the primo needs to be run alot longer to or thats also a waste. 20mgs of var is to low to doanything and so is 250mgs of sust. you will have much better results dropping this entire cycle and running 500mgs of sust a week instead.

PT · 03-14-2008, 05:22 AM

i agree. he is full of crap that everyone in italy does it that way.

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by pietro75

i agree. he is full of crap that everyone in italy does it that way.

Pietro, from your name I suppose you have something to do with Italy...do you?

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 05:30 AM

Tigre, we wanna help you, not trying to flame you, but here are some people that may have committed in the past the same errors you're going to do now.
So we're trying to let you to not take rushed decisions.
No decisioni affrettate. Informati bene prima.

CL

PT · 03-14-2008, 05:31 AM

i live in pittsburgh but my father was born in malin and lived there until his early twentys. we have a house over there and i usually try to get back there once a year.

**ChuckLee** · 03-14-2008, 05:33 AM

Very interesting bro.
Where exactly do you get in Italy once a year? If I can ask...

**mkrulic** · 03-14-2008, 05:34 AM

why are you running deca ? if for the joints then up the sust to 500mg/week and stop at week 13.
the rule of thumb around here is that deca needs to be run for more than 10 weeks along w/ all other long chain esters. I run deca for 6 weeks at a time and works great for my joints. Ive been running short cycles for years. usualy do tren ace and enan, deca and test enan/deconate.

**mkrulic** · 03-14-2008, 05:36 AM

post script, by "and stop at week 13" I meant what you suggested running the first 13 weeks in your orig post

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:38 AM

too many Italians on this board with to little brains!.... ie CL..... Ello Boys!... Guess who's baaack!...

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 05:39 AM

you don't believe me.

ok I run deca and susta for 12 weeks but only test at 500mgs/w is too much for a newbie.

thanks americans.

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre

only test?
the results got with the test don't maintain well

Coz ur diet is a mess. Take advise from Pietro and Chuck Lee. They aint lying to ya. Test is best with a great Diet .... NB: DIET! Ask PerfectBeast for a diet and stick to test. You will be suprized.

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre

you don't believe me.

ok I run deca and susta for 12 weeks but only test at 500mgs/w is too much for a newbie.

thanks americans.

I dont understand you. You ask for help, then when you get help you dont wanna take it and call us all Americans? ... WTF?

PT · 03-14-2008, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Very interesting bro.
Where exactly do you get in Italy once a year? If I can ask...

what do you mean where? i usually fly out of pitt. then to either nyc or philidelphia then straight to MXP airport. i have an uncle that is a professor in rome and a few cousins in cosenza that i visit all the time

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:45 AM

... This is Americans.

PT · 03-14-2008, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

I dont understand you. You ask for help, then when you get help you dont wanna take it and call us all Americans? ... WTF?

your a freaking idiot and go figure it out on your own if you dont like our advice. as for your comment(thanks americans) i guess we should expect that from an uneducated lowlife

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:48 AM

JBonez! Dont you wanna add your 2c?...

Well said Pietro.

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

No decisioni affrettate. Informati bene prima.

CL

uhuhuh are you Italian?

your cycles are very strange:

1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk

1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

ecc...

**Grande_Tigre** · 03-14-2008, 05:51 AM

test at 500mgs/w is too much for a newbie in my opinion and in italians opinion.
we can gain much muscle with only 250mg/w.
in future i'll increase the quantity

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre

test at 500mgs/w is too much for a newbie in my opinion and in italians opinion.

Thats the only sense youve made the whole day.

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:56 AM

No need to jump into the deep water when learning how to swim. Keep it simple and stay with one compound. You don't even know how your body is going to react, and if so, what it is reacting to, take sust twice a wk take 125mgs eod, that'll still give you 500mgs per wk and you'll have steady levels with 1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 05:59 AM

....or if your scared for needles ,stick with any long esthers sothat you dont have to pin yourself ED. Get your diet in check to.

**jbonez19** · 03-14-2008, 06:02 AM

****en hell guys, ease up! i thought he was joking myself. ah, i just read it back, maybe he did crack the shits. and tell Vernon to stay out of this El. he's not fit to lick a chopper let alone ride one. whatsa madda you, hey! gotta no respect, hey! whadda thinkyoudo hey! whya you looka so sad, hey! itsa not so bad, itsa nicea place, ah shuddupa you face! sorry that was a hit song here in oz by Joe Dolce hesa good italiano boy. aussies? you know what i'm sayin' right!!

**jbonez19** · 03-14-2008, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

JBonez! Dont you wanna add your 2c?...

Well said Pietro.

yeah that was my 2c. think i managed to kill another thread. well done j. yeah you crazy americans! ha ha, this guy could give me lessons into how to make friends.

***El Diablo*** · 03-14-2008, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

****en hell guys, ease up! i thought he was joking myself. ah, i just read it back, maybe he did crack the shits. and tell Vernon to stay out of this El. he's not fit to lick a chopper let alone ride one. whatsa madda you, hey! gotta no respect, hey! whadda thinkyoudo hey! whya you looka so sad, hey! itsa not so bad, itsa nicea place, ah shuddupa you face! sorry that was a hit song here in oz by Joe Dolce hesa good italiano boy.

did you drink your medicine this morning jBonez?... you know the Dr said that you cannot skip a day.....WTF is a matter with you?..... lmfao.. Adhd child you!

**jbonez19** · 03-14-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by *El Diablo*

did you drink your medicine this morning jBonez?... you know the Dr said that you cannot skip a day.....WTF is a matter with you?..... lmfao.. Adhd child you!

oh shit! i forgot my lithium........