Contest cycle. What I have done, what can I improve

[youngmuscle]

Hey everyone, first of all I jsut want to say this is an awesome board. Even though its my first post I was lerking on this site for about two solid years before I even contemplated AAS.

I am currently 20 years old, and I am exactly 12 weeks out from my show at a weight of 225. Here is what my pre contest plans look thus far. All advice is welcomed.

Keep in mind the compounds are all stopped one week out from the show to lose any water retention.

1-16 75mg prop ED
8-16 75mg tren ED
10-16 50mg mast ED

I ran test for four weeks to grow a little before putting in any AI's. At week four I introduced Armidex at .5mg EOD. WOuld do .25 ED but the tablets are too brittle.

Armidex
4-10 at .5 EOD
10-12 at .5 ED
12-show 1mg ED

As for the fat loss agents, I have both clen and t3. I have commenced clen usage. I know about both 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off, aswell as the use of benedryl. I have some experience with clen so I am using benedryl with it, however if I feel downregualted I will still take some time off

T3 is my biggest hurdle. I know what it is, and how to run it. But with respect to a show it gets dicey. Some say i should be tapered down to the show, others say the show should be the highest point ie Palmubo's view point.

What does everyone think?

[VTliftVT]

Great first post. Thanks for all of the background info, definitely helps out when trying to answer your questions.

First off, are you using tren ace or tren e or?

Are you extremely gyno prone? Is that why you are using that much of an AI or is it water retention your worried about due to increased estrogen?

[10nispro]

What is your height? And what cycle is this for you?

[*El Diablo*]

Hey everyone, first of all I jsut want to say this is an awesome board. Even though its my first post I was lerking on this site for about two solid years before I even contemplated AAS.

I am currently 20 years old, and I am exactly 12 weeks out from my show at a weight of 225. Here is what my pre contest plans look thus far. All advice is welcomed.

Keep in mind the compounds are all stopped one week out from the show to lose any water retention.

1-16 75mg prop ED
8-16 75mg tren ED
10-16 50mg mast ED

I ran test for four weeks to grow a little before putting in any AI's. At week four I introduced Armidex at .5mg EOD. WOuld do .25 ED but the tablets are too brittle.

Armidex
4-10 at .5 EOD
10-12 at .5 ED
12-show 1mg ED

As for the fat loss agents, I have both clen and t3. I have commenced clen usage. I know about both 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off, aswell as the use of benedryl. I have some experience with clen so I am using benedryl with it, however if I feel downregualted I will still take some time off

T3 is my biggest hurdle. I know what it is, and how to run it. But with respect to a show it gets dicey. Some say i should be tapered down to the show, others say the show should be the highest point ie Palmubo's view point.

What does everyone think?

I Wish all Newbies can post like you mate... That is exactly what i think!

[ChuckLee]

20 yo and already competing? WOW

[youngmuscle]

whoa, sorry guys. I dont know why I never bothered to put any of my stats in there.

I am 20 years old as stated, 5'9' wei***ng 225 at about 12or 13% bf right now. If you want to know some of my lifts then

bench- 385
squat-495 core is weak, need to work on it
deadlift-495
military smith press- 300

I have been training since I was 16, and have always been a bodybuilder since I have started. Have not missed eating a meal at least every three hours since I started.

This is actulaly my first cycle. I realize that it is a mighty first cycle, I would not have gone so deep so fast, but I have a potential sponsorship running on this show. So I realize tren is a third or fourth cycle compund but given the circumstances it was worth it to me.

BTw it is tren Ace. I would not run long esters for a competition, well not as far as one week out anyhow.

Not gyno prone, running an AI due to water retention and the competition. Otherwise I would not bother till PCT.

I hope this helps, so sorry for not giving the full story.

[youngmuscle]

I would also like to mention I am currently in contact daily with a top amateur bodybuilder here in Canada regarding my progress, as well as his guru.

Even though it is a first post, I just want to stress that I am in no way a newbie to reading. I am a deans list university student whose mother is a nurse. I have been reading on juice since I was 17.

[soulstealer]

The only suggestion I would give... is go with Letro for the comp and get something like aldactone to help you dry out.... give you that super hard/dry look....

[youngmuscle]

thanks for the advice. I was actually thinking about using letro for the final four weeks or so. I never wanted to run it for a long period given how potent it is.

The diuretics is something I am going to be concerned with a little later. Definately going to experiment and see how my body responds. I have tried lasix and dont really want to again. I plan to use something pottassium sparing. Lasix is too damn harsh

[VTliftVT]

Well sounds like you have your crap together on this one. Finally nice to see someone who just needs a critique and not a book of information.

I was only asking about the tren because to some people (as myself) the side effects were unbearable. I wasn't able to sleep more than an hour or two a night, had night sweats something horrible, was angry all the time even at work, depressed...just wasn't good for me. You seem to be in a situation were you pretty much are going to force yourself to stick it out and I am sure the end result will be worth it. For me and my goals, it wasn't. Hope you the best and keep us informed. I want to see some progress pics posted from you.

[xavier_888888]

Young muscle, post some pictures!

[youngmuscle]

man, I honestly would, but I broke my digital cam like a week before I started to clean up my diet. All contest diet photos are on disposable cameras that have not yet been developed. I should be getting my nutrionist to take some shots on sunday. I will try and post some then.

[youngmuscle]

Yea man, I have read so much about tren it makes my head spin. One of those compounds that can be awesome, but at the same time terrible. Awesome results, but the consequences can be very bad if mistreated.

I am hoping contest exhaustion will stop the insomina LOL or melatonin and benedryl. At this point I got no experience with it, but I am not dumb, being depressed would be hard to cope with and might not be worth it. I am running it everyday to hopefully help with sides but we shall see.

[VTliftVT]

Yea man, I have read so much about tren it makes my head spin. One of those compounds that can be awesome, but at the same time terrible. Awesome results, but the consequences can be very bad if mistreated.

I am hoping contest exhaustion will stop the insomina LOL or melatonin and benedryl. At this point I got no experience with it, but I am not dumb, being depressed would be hard to cope with and might not be worth it. I am running it everyday to hopefully help with sides but we shall see.

I wish you the best of luck on that. Like I said, each different roid is going to have different side effects for each person. I was doing up to two hours of cardio a day and lifting (obviously at seperate times) and had cut my carbs down to basically non-existent and still couldnt sleep. i think the worst part was it affected my prostate some and i had to get up about 50 times a night to piss...i ended up just putting a gallon bottle in my room for the night bc the walk wasn't worth it...is that gross?

Anyway, be careful with it and im sure youll be fine. The T3 i definitely feel is needed with it so good thing you have all that set up. Cheers!

[PT]

20 yo and already competing? WOW

i dont compete now and have no desire to whatsoever but when i was 18 i won the teen nationals in florida. i was in a few more showes after that but once i started getting older and bigger i lost all intrest in it. anyone who competes know the hell you have to go thru preping and it wasnt worth it to me. i lift because i like it but once i was pushed to much i stopped enjoying it. i will always work out but it will always be on my terms

[oneshot]

nice detailed post. ive got very similar stats to yours and am in the middle of my first cycle, which includes tren as well. I would think you should run the aas through the show and for about a week after to put the post-contest blow up to better use. if you cut the aas a week before then i would think your levels would be next to nothing by show time. With a good dose of an ai and diuretics i wouldn't think bloat would be much a problem. I haven't competed quite yet so I cant tell you anything from experience. You should put up a log of the cycle and contest prep. myself and im sure many others would love to follow it.

[youngmuscle]

To the above, I had thought of doing this too, however everyone I talk to, including my amateur friend and his guru say to stop the test a week out even if using an AI and diuretic. I know about the post show blow up, but honestly, I would be afriad of tearing something if I was on juice during that time. Last time I was natural and had to slow myself down, so I cant imagine on test.

As for a log I jsut might do this, will keep me on track. Today is the most exhausted I have ever felt. Competitive bodybuilding is not for the faint of heart.

[KorperTrainerung]

Dont want to sound newbish but a week out and you're still lifting hard? How's your posing going? I know this is an AAS board and not BB but perfecting your poses will make you look bigger/ better than the guy next to you even if hes not...

[youngmuscle]

not exactly sure where u got a week out man. I am actually 12 weeks out, and those lifts are not right now lol. They were before I began to diet. Even on AAS the strength goes down somewhat. Well actually it has stayed the same since I started or maybe increased a litte, but I went down naturally from those before i began. Not drastically reduced, but I dont go no where near maxing out right now. "Its not about how much you lift, its about how much you look like u can lift" muhahahaha

[AthleticEngineering]

Man, this is an awesome thread. I'd love to see some pics and I wish you the best of luck. What part of Canada are you in?

[juicedapple463]

solid thread bro, post pics asap.

[youngmuscle]

Thanks to everyone who has replied thus far and I will definately get some pics up as soon as I can.

Really need some advice from experienced t3 users. For a contest I dont know where I should peak with it in regards to the show

[oneshot]

are you only dropping only the test a week out, or all three aas??? IMO the tren sides are exaggerated quite a bit but i guess everyone responds differently. im still sleeping pretty good and am sweating slightly more than normal but i naturally sweat my ass of 24/7 so thats no big deal. keep up the good work.

[youngmuscle]

I am not 100% on that yet. Waiting for my advisor to do out the last two weesk with regards to that. However, I do not personally agree with everything he says(everyone is different) so I wanted to get some more opinions on here.

To oneshot I checked out your post. Dude, slin on a first cycle................Damn bro, I thought mine was pretty hardcore, but that is just ****ing nuts. Why did you start with it so early? Even with knowldege about it, I personally think you could have grown alot more with less dangerous compounds before insulin needed to be used. But I wish the best of luck to ya.

[Baba]

You seem to know what you're doing. Starting on the right foot, good job young brotha.

[oneshot]

ive been using insulin on and off since my senior year of high school way before aas. i have yet to go hypo and only use it for pretty short periods of time. i know not recommended, but ive been very safe about it. I always eat more than enough carbs with it to be on the safe side. When i first started, i would only do it under the supervision of my best friend who has been a type 1 diabetic since he was 7.

[youngmuscle]

dude, I got to ask, why in the hell were u experimenting with insulin in high school? I dont understand? And as for having experience, thats a great asset. But it only takes one mistake man to be fatal. All the best bro. No disrepsect meant though. U definately got some big ballz

[PT]

dude, I got to ask, why in the hell were u experimenting with insulin in high school? I dont understand? And as for having experience, thats a great asset. But it only takes one mistake man to be fatal. All the best bro. No disrepsect meant though. U definately got some big ballz

why would you use slin in high school withous any aas? thats just insane and useless

[Towel]

dude you got to hook us up with some pics

[oneshot]

dude, I got to ask, why in the hell were u experimenting with insulin in high school? I dont understand? And as for having experience, thats a great asset. But it only takes one mistake man to be fatal. All the best bro. No disrepsect meant though. U definately got some big ballz

Their not too damn big at the moment. lol
i started using it for recovery purposes as it allowed me to train hard all week and then compete at 100% in track and field without being sore. though i probably didnt get all i could have out of it, it was a learning experience and i was overly cautious.

[youngmuscle]

Yea man, mine are not too big right now either lol. I dont necessarily agree with your decsion to use insluin so early on bro, but ofcourse its your body. If you are going to use it, then at least you are on here trying to learn everything you can.