T3 Question (and no not one already answered)

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 08:35 AM

I am on low dose TRT replacement right now. I am planning on running a clen /T3 combo to cut a few lb's before an upcoming monster bulker. Will the current low dose Test E (100mg/week) plus the fact I am on a very low carb high protein and moderate fat diet inhibit some of the muscle catabolism by the T3?

Thanks!

**james21** · 03-21-2008, 09:41 AM

I doubt it you need to up the test

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 09:43 AM

low dose of T3 could be a begin. Clen has anticatabolic properties too.

CL

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

low dose of T3 could be a begin. Clen has anticatabolic properties too.

CL

so stick with a low dose of T3 and I should be ok?

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 10:01 AM

Stick with 50mcg, don't go over, or up the test ontherwise.
Run the clen at 120mcg or more if you are an experienced user of it.

CL

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 10:02 AM

I guess you know how to take both compounds, do ya?

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

I guess you know how to take both compounds, do ya?

I do. I plan on cycling up and down with both (dosage wise). I believe I am just going to up my test and use a little more T3. With the clen i have not decided which schedule to do. Two weeks on and two off?

I have lions products.

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 10:08 AM

I'm not a fan of taking clen on/off protocol personally.
You don't have to take T3 on/off protocol for sure anyway.
Going home, sorry I can't help you anymore.
Check this BTW:
Clen/T3 Cutting Cycle...

CL

**Njord** · 03-21-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

I'm not a fan of tapering those products personally.
You don't have to taper T3 for sure anyway.
Going home, sorry I can't help you anymore.
Check this BTW:
Clen/T3 Cutting Cycle...

CL

Where do you come up with some of the crazy stuff you post?
T3 should be tapered up to your max dosage and then tapered back down.
Clen should be tapered up, but no need to taper back down.

**Dog-Slime** · 03-21-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Njord

Where do you come up with some of the crazy stuff you post?
T3 should be tapered up to your max dosage and then tapered back down.
Clen should be tapered up, but no need to taper back down.

I think he was right. No need to taper t3 (Well maybe taper up to gauge how you react to it...) Now a lot of guys do taper t3 but I read somewhere that its not necessary or beneficial.

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 11:56 AM

so is this one of those "what came first, the chicken or the egg type things?"

haha

ill just start off with a mild dose of both and see how my body reacts, if need be ill start adjusting up. if any of you have a schedule that has worked for you and somewhere around the same stats id appreciate it. then again i guess i could stop being lazy and search the forums bc i know ive seen it all over.

**Dog-Slime** · 03-21-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by VTliftVT

so is this one of those "what came first, the chicken or the egg type things?"

haha

ill just start off with a mild dose of both and see how my body reacts, if need be ill start adjusting up. if any of you have a schedule that has worked for you and somewhere around the same stats id appreciate it. then again i guess i could stop being lazy and search the forums bc i know ive seen it all over.

Check out the link chuck lee posted earlier. May need to adjust the doses a lil but should be a good reference point.

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Njord

Where do you come up with some of the crazy stuff you post?
T3 should be tapered up to your max dosage and then tapered back down.
Clen should be tapered up, but no need to taper back down.

yes yes you're right sorry, I was in hurry and wrote some crap I know...
I meant not to take T3 with off days, but straight. Sorry again I'll edit

CL

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

yes yes you're right sorry, I was in hurry and wrote some crap I know...
I meant not to take T3 with off days, but straight. Sorry again I'll edit

CL

Tryin to get me killed chuck?

just kiddin

**ChuckLee** · 03-21-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by VTliftVT

so is this one of those "what came first, the chicken or the egg type things?"

haha

ill just start off with a mild dose of both and see how my body reacts, if need be ill start adjusting up. if any of you have a schedule that has worked for you and somewhere around the same stats id appreciate it. then again i guess i could stop being lazy and search the forums bc i know ive seen it all over.

No, Njord was right, you HAVE to taper down T3. I just wrote in hurry and mistake. Sorry for that, I've edited that post up.

CL

**VTliftVT** · 03-21-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

No, Njord was right, you HAVE to taper down T3. I just wrote in hurry and mistake. Sorry for that, I've edited that post up.

CL

no worries. thanks for the help. the link you sent me really helped.

**juicedapple463** · 03-22-2008, 02:03 AM

solid advice, taper the t3 for sure,and im sure you know how to run the clen .

**Schmidty** · 03-22-2008, 10:27 AM

Id either up the dose of test a lil bit or do a low dose of t3.

**magic32** · 03-22-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Id either up the dose of test a lil bit or do a low dose of t3.

^^^Agreed, such a low dose may be ineffective, especially since its Enth an ester that greatly relies on accumulation.

Good catch Njord.
Not sure what you meant there DogSlime, T3 is always tapered (up & down). We actually accelerate this with our 3-4 days, the manufacturers recommend increases in excess of reaching 25mcgs ED, be adhered to every 1-3 wks depending on the condition and source consulted:

King Pharm - http://www.kingpharm.com/kingpharm/u...mel_Web_PI.pdf
Armour - http://www.frx.com/pi/armourthyroid_pi.pdf

**Dog-Slime** · 03-22-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

^^^Agreed, such a low dose may be ineffective, especially since its Enth an ester that greatly relies on accumulation.

Good catch Njord.
Not sure what you meant there DogSlime, T3 is always tapered (up & down). We actually accelerate this with our 3-4 days, the manufacturers recommend increases in excess of reaching 25mcgs ED, be adhered to every 1-3 wks depending on the condition and source consulted:

King Pharm - http://www.kingpharm.com/kingpharm/u...mel_Web_PI.pdf
Armour - http://www.frx.com/pi/armourthyroid_pi.pdf

Maybe I was confused. I know I read that tapering up was only necessary to gauge your reaction to it... Pretty sure I read that tapering down didn't help the thyroid recover any better. Ill see if I can find what Im talking about and post it here.

**Princes_Gate** · 03-22-2008, 05:03 PM

wtf?

What's the logic behind tapering T3? This is the only board I've seen recommending that

**magic32** · 03-23-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Princes_Gate

wtf?

What's the logic behind tapering T3? This is the only board I've seen recommending that

Variation exists because there are right and wrong ways to do everything, and although the later does not always have visible or even noticeable penal results, it's still far safer to take the high road especially in hormonal manipulation. As such, any cogent discussion of thyroid medications should include protocol for tapering both up and down, as well as same time of day administration. Medicinally, synthetics are specifically used to reset thyroid levels, and the symptoms of hypothyroidism will improve over time, after which doctors slowly taper them off.

Although there are a host of long-term usage principles, for our short-term purposes, any dose that exceeds 25mcgs should be tapered primarily because the hypothalamic/pituitary axis takes up to two months to normalize. The rule of thumb being, the higher the dosage and longer the duration, the more comprehensive tapering need be.

In layman’s terms, tapering up does permit dosing/mixture exactness but it also supports the negative feedback loop’s gentle reduction of natty, while tapering down supports the normalization of thyroid function, as well as reducing or eliminating an assortment of negative withdrawal symptoms.

Again please see the links posted above for ramping up, and any prescribing physician for normalizing protocol. If you disbelieve my statements, run some simple internet searches. Here is one that I came across a while back and saved:

TSH levels become suppressed (TSH <0.1 mIU/L) after 4 weeks of T3, 50 mcg/d, in patients with normal baseline thyroid function. This suggests thyroid hormone’s booster effect is self limited, and augmentation may not need to continue after 2 to 3 months—even in responders. T3 augmentation at 25 mcg/d can be discontinued immediately. For 50 to 75 mcg/d, taper across 1 to 2 weeks. The hypothalamic-pituitarythyroid axis returns to normal function 6 to 8 weeks after T3 augmentation is stopped.

http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/pdf...P_Article2.pdf

Whatever course you choose, just BE SAFE!

**VTliftVT** · 03-23-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Variation exists because there are right and wrong ways to do everything, and although the later does not always have visible or even noticeable penal results, it's still far safer to take the high road especially in hormonal manipulation. As such, any cogent discussion of thyroid medications should include protocol for tapering both up and down, as well as same time of day administration. Medicinally, synthetics are specifically used to reset thyroid levels, and the symptoms of hypothyroidism will improve over time, after which doctors slowly taper them off.

Although there are a host of long-term usage principles, for our short-term purposes, any dose that exceeds 25mcgs should be tapered primarily because the hypothalamic/pituitary axis takes up to two months to normalize. The rule of thumb being, the higher the dosage and longer the duration, the more comprehensive tapering need be.

In layman’s terms, tapering up does permit dosing/mixture exactness but it also supports the negative feedback loop’s gentle reduction of natty, while tapering down supports the normalization of thyroid function, as well as reducing or eliminating an assortment of negative withdrawal symptoms.

Again please see the links posted above for ramping up, and any prescribing physician for normalizing protocol. If you disbelieve my statements, run some simple internet searches. Here is one that I came across a while back and saved:

Whatever course you choose, just BE SAFE!

Thanks man! Great post! I am one that not only likes to know the protocal behind something but also the reasoning.