1st cycle, please critique(I have spent a lot of time for this)

**ggoyal** · 03-21-2008, 08:29 PM

5'9, 190lbs, age 21, 12-14%BF.

About to get on my first cycle. here it is

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-2 dbol 20mg ED, 2-4 dbol 30mg ED
1-4 arimidex 1mg/day, 5-12 arimidex .5mg/day

week 13 relax(nothing)

14-17 arimidex .25mg/day, IGF-1 60mcg/day
14- clomid 200mg/day
15- 100mgs/day, IGF-1 40mcg/day
16- .5mg/day, IGF-1 40 mcg/day
17- .25mg/day
18- .25mg/day

next 3 months hopefully I can admire myself.

I will have letro on hand incase gyno flares up. in that case I will drop a-dex and just take letro.

should I also have HCG incase? If so, when should it be used. i heard 500ui/week. is that correct.

I should also have bloodwork done after right when detection time is over.

Anything else? I am very healthy, just take avodart for hair loss. but other than that, I dont take any medicines and dont have any health issues.

I will bulk like a pig to gain max out of this cycle. The only problem now is I have to find out where the hell do buy this stuff. Not online for sure.

**hugovsilva** · 03-21-2008, 08:38 PM

The cycle is ok, but I would keep the the Dbol at a constant dosage.

Then you need a break of 2 weeks before starting pct.

I would replace the Clomid in pct for Nolva and if possible the Adex for Aromasin .

If I were you I would hold a bit to run IGF. Run that cycle with a good diet and workout plan and you will enjoy it. No need for IGF right now.

**RANA** · 03-21-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by ggoyal

5'9, 190lbs, age 21, 12-14%BF.

About to get on my first cycle. here it is

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-2 dbol 20mg ED, 2-4 dbol 30mg ED
1-4 arimidex 1mg/day, 5-12 arimidex .5mg/day

week 13 relax(nothing)

14-17 arimidex .25mg/day, IGF-1 60mcg/day
14- clomid 200mg/day
15- 100mgs/day, IGF-1 40mcg/day
16- .5mg/day, IGF-1 40 mcg/day
17- .25mg/day
18- .25mg/day

next 3 months hopefully I can admire myself.

I will have letro on hand incase gyno flares up. in that case I will drop a-dex and just take letro.

should I also have HCG incase? If so, when should it be used. i heard 500ui/week. is that correct.

I should also have bloodwork done after right when detection time is over.

Anything else? I am very healthy, just take avodart for hair loss. but other than that, I dont take any medicines and dont have any health issues.

I will bulk like a pig to gain max out of this cycle. The only problem now is I have to find out where the hell do buy this stuff. Not online for sure.

I would wait a couple of years before starting since you are still young, but I figure you are still going to do it no matter what I say (IMHO).
At 190lbs. I would go with 40 mg ed for 4 weeks, like Hugo stated keep your doage the same.
Are you prone to gyno? no reason to take Adex/Ldex unless need (Have it on hand just in case).
As far as PCT, Nolva is much better than Clomid...If I recall it's a 4:1 ratio difference between them, oh and as Hugo stated don't start until day 14 for PCT

**ggoyal** · 03-21-2008, 09:10 PM

1. what dosage would you recommend for dbol ? 20 mg/ED?

2. Why would you suggest to replace Clomid with Nolva? and adex for aromasin ?

3. If I break for 2 weeks to run PCT, won't I begin to see side effects? I mean that is what PCT is intended for right? Then why wait? just trying to understand.

**ggoyal** · 03-21-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

I would wait a couple of years before starting since you are still young, but I figure you are still going to do it no matter what I say (IMHO).
At 190lbs. I would go with 40 mg ed for 4 weeks, like Hugo stated keep your doage the same.
Are you prone to gyno? no reason to take Adex/Ldex unless need (Have it on hand just in case).
As far as PCT, Nolva is much better than Clomid...If I recall it's a 4:1 ratio difference between them, oh and as Hugo stated don't start until day 14 for PCT

ummmm...... you mean week 14 in your last statement right?

**RANA** · 03-21-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by ggoyal

1. what dosage would you recommend for dbol ? 20 mg/ED? at 190 I would do about 40 mg

2. Why would you suggest to replace Clomid with Nolva? and adex for aromasin ?
An example of a PCT for this cycle:
week 1 clomid 100mg nolva 40mg
week 2 clomid 50mg nolva 40mg
week 3-5 clomid 50mg nolva 20mg.

3. If I break for 2 weeks to run PCT, won't I begin to see side effects? I mean that is what PCT is intended for right? Then why wait? just trying to understand.
please read about PCT: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758
Going without can leave you with a significantly decreased libio (to almost none), loss of gains, appetite, possible heavy mood swings, etc... list goes on.

See in red

**ggoyal** · 03-21-2008, 09:33 PM

About the PCT, I am going to do it for sure. Thats a definite.

But the question is, my cycle ends week 12, then week 14 i start PCT, why wait? Won't I start seeing side affects then? This means week 13 I wont use anythign right?

Almost there

**naturalsux** · 03-21-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by ggoyal

About the PCT, I am going to do it for sure. Thats a definite.

But the question is, my cycle ends week 12, then week 14 i start PCT, why wait? Won't I start seeing side affects then? This means week 13 I wont use anythign right?

Almost there

cause your shooting a long ester test.

definitely hold off on the adex till you need it. it could hinder your gains and screw up your cholesterol levels.

**RANA** · 03-21-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ggoyal

About the PCT, I am going to do it for sure. Thats a definite.

But the question is, my cycle ends week 12, then week 14 i start PCT, why wait? Won't I start seeing side affects then? This means week 13 I wont use anythign right?

Almost there

14 days after your last shot of test.