1st cycle... Test E, Dbol... how can i squeeze Deca in???

[dwaynewade]

Hey guys!

This will be my first and last cycle(i know ppl tell me not to say that as i will supposedly be eating my words and crawling back for more...lol)

Cycle
Test E 400 12 wks
Dbol 20mg 4 wks
PCT

somewhat low in doses but I'm 165lbs and very sensitive to the stuff, atleast from my experience with pro-hormones i think thats the case

now the issue for me is that ive had a few rotator cuff problems in the past (i'm only 25 BTW) and would like to experience some of the anti-flamitory effects of Deca while on the cycle. Is there anyway I could include Deca into the cycle without having to use full dose amounts?? If so what exactly do you recommend?

I do rehab/preventive injury exercises all the time, i warm up properly but know that when i start lifting heavier overhead presses and pec workouts my shoulders will let me know about 'em.

Any vet knowledge is appreciated.

[nowdenlid]

@ 165lbs i think you could gain easy by sorting your diet bro....

if you are going to go ahead with cycle anyways and want to add deac i would go with deca for 10 weeks @ 200-300mgs ew..

but as i said diet alone will get you good gains and test only for first cycle..

i see alot wrong with you doing a cycle now....imo....

[jAcKeD!!!!]

@ 165lbs i think you could gain easy by sorting your diet bro....

if you are going to go ahead with cycle anyways and want to add deac i would go with deca for 10 weeks @ 200-300mgs ew..

but as i said diet alone will get you good gains and test only for first cycle..

i see alot wrong with you doing a cycle now....imo....

agreed^^

[Mbuffguy]

thats what im gunna do 4 my cycle
week 1-4 dbol 25mg
week 1-12 test e 500mg
week 1-12 decca 400 mg
but im 245 right now

[longhorn814]

unless youre about 5'4" inches, you need to work on your diet first as you have plenty of room to gain naturally still left..if youre not gaining naturally, youre not gonna gain from steroids either

[Mbuffguy]

me??? wtf 6'2

[longhorn814]

me??? wtf 6'2

no the 165 lb guy

[Mbuffguy]

ok cool my goal is 260-170 by the end of cycle

[RANA]

unless youre about 5'4" inches, you need to work on your diet first as you have plenty of room to gain naturally still left..if youre not gaining naturally, youre not gonna gain from steroids either

I agreed^^^^, but if you are going to do it I would go with 30mg ed of DBOL

[legobricks]

To be honest you will gain enough water weight and bloat from the dbol and test enanthate that you wont need the deca. All that water weight seems to help my joints, tendons, recovery time, strength, etc...For me i was a-ok on cycle. Off cycle things tend to be more stiff and painful IMO. And as stated at 165lbs you have lots of room for improvement by changing up your diet unless you are very short.
Remember in order to grow and gain weight you need to increase your calories within your diet. If you are not growing naturally then what makes you think AAS will help you with the current diet you have? Once again, this is dependant on your current height.

[Overhaulz]

thats what im gunna do 4 my cycle
week 1-4 dbol 25mg
week 1-12 test e 500mg
week 1-12 decca 400 mg
but im 245 right now

You do know that cycle is wrong, right? I'll let you do the research and figure out why

I'll give you a hint: It's in bold

[200byjune]

theres nothing wrong with it recovery might be a little harder thats it. so how about you do some research and stop parroting off of what you have read by other member

[Overhaulz]

theres nothing wrong with it recovery might be a little harder thats it. so how about you do some research and stop parroting off of what you have read by other member

Yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with making recovery harder. I'll go back to being a parrot. Anyone got a cracker?

Also, read what you said about "95% of the guys on this board in this post." :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...54#post3890754

You're repeating what you've read by the bulk of the people on this forum to pass on information, and so was I. You'll find a lot of people agree that test should be run two weeks longer than deca. Flaming me and telling me to go research was just plain silly. You should be trying to help that guy out so that he too can recover quicker from his cycle.

[Test-Prop604]

I have a cracker for you. because you have been a good parrot

[Overhaulz]

*Squak!* Am I really the only one that would advise that guy run deca for two weeks less?

[dwaynewade]

Wow... talk about getting flamed... lol

Anywho...

I'm 5'9 with about %5 body fat, i'm a trainer and nutritionist for the past 8 years... i have an atheletic build, boxing for 3 yrs and now currently training in jiu jitsu(strength train 4x wk). I am aware of proper dieting. I can easily gain or lose 10 lbs playing with calories and foods. It just happens that i would like to bulk with some help and motivation. Kill me now...

Can someone answer my question as far as the DECA in the cycle... how much would it take to feel the ant***amitory effects? how long? how much?

[dwaynewade]

BUMPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Z-Ro]

Thats a lot of gear for your first cycle man.

I am not one to preach but Test and Dbol will blow you up your first go around.

Then again, if you decide to move foward you should definatley look into grabbing letro, caber, hcg--if you have not.

The only reason I advice you to relax is because you are going to get pissed if you potentially get gyno, hair loss, or your wang stops working.

I would def. look into Caber though man, you seem like you have your stuff together. And PCT on Deca will probably be a bish anyone you look at it. lol

[longhorn814]

theres nothing wrong with it recovery might be a little harder thats it. so how about you do some research and stop parroting off of what you have read by other member

actually it is wrong..deca needs to be stopped at least 1 week before test e so PCT start times line up accordingly..PCT should start 21 days after last shot of deca and 14 days after last shot of test e..thats whats wrong..the dude wasnt parroting anybody

[longhorn814]

am I the only who saw that the guy only weighs 165 lbs? think he needs to work on his diet before taking AAS

[Z-Ro]

am I the only who saw that the guy only weighs 165 lbs? think he needs to work on his diet before taking AAS

Well he said he was 5'9 165lbs 5% b.f.--thats not bad.

I used to work out with a guy that was 5'7 145-150lbs with very low b/f and he looked jacked.

On the other hand, I have had friends who were 5'10 220lbs+ but I am not here to cast the stone. haha! : )

I just think Test/Dbol/Deca is going to be a lot...I would not use that much myself, however I have diff. opinions on cycling methods. I like to keep stuff spread out for longer periods.

[dwaynewade]

Well he said he was 5'9 165lbs 5% b.f.--thats not bad.

I used to work out with a guy that was 5'7 145-150lbs with very low b/f and he looked jacked.

On the other hand, I have had friends who were 5'10 220lbs+ but I am not here to cast the stone. haha! : )

I just think Test/Dbol/Deca is going to be a lot...I would not use that much myself, however I have diff. opinions on cycling methods. I like to keep stuff spread out for longer periods.

Thanx Z-RO for giving me the benefit of most ppl's here doubts... I'm very proportional and symmetrical. Lifts are good, controlled and heavy for my size. I deadlift 185x15 205x12 225x10... squat max 315x5... weighted pullps and dips... inc. db. press with 90lb db'sx4.
I really didnt want to incorporate deca into the equation but i was really looking for some joint relief. After much thought i'll keep it to Test E 400 and Dbol for the 4 wk kick start.... I have Nolva and Clomid now... you think i also need Letro? i've read most of the stickies and thought i was ok... let me know. Thank you for your reply.

[longhorn814]

Well he said he was 5'9 165lbs 5% b.f.--thats not bad.

I used to work out with a guy that was 5'7 145-150lbs with very low b/f and he looked jacked.

On the other hand, I have had friends who were 5'10 220lbs+ but I am not here to cast the stone. haha! : )

I just think Test/Dbol/Deca is going to be a lot...I would not use that much myself, however I have diff. opinions on cycling methods. I like to keep stuff spread out for longer periods.

Not sure I buy the 5% part..thats almost near competition levels..go ahead and cycle, but no need for 3 compounds for a first cycle

[Z-Ro]

Not sure I buy the 5% part..thats almost near competition levels..go ahead and cycle, but no need for 3 compounds for a first cycle

5% is very low I agree, who knows, I agree that three compounds is a lot. I just do not want anyone to mess themselves up you know.