test e and deca or eq

**ml87** · 03-27-2008, 09:23 PM

whats a better cycle for gaining lean muscle? im thinking 500 test ew and 400 deca ew for 12 wks. would eq be better? dbol at 40mg ed for 4 weeks. looking for 15lbs all said and done with nolva as pct.
21yrs old, 180, 5'11". 4yrs serious training. 5000cals/day 60/30/20

**200byjune** · 03-27-2008, 09:27 PM

you are 180 pounds eating 5000 cals. why??? toataly different drugs. looking at your suposable diet your bulking so deca would be my option if i were you eq is for the tight hard vascular look when your under 12%bf

**Schmidty** · 03-27-2008, 09:28 PM

Iv never tryed eq, but deca deff works n it works very well. Iv never heard anybody say anything bad or be dissapointed n deca. Were as eq, u hear a lot of people say its not worth it. But everybodys body reacts diff to diff compounds.

**NATE0406** · 03-27-2008, 09:29 PM

deca for sure.. a lot better reviews than eq...

**CheddaNips** · 03-27-2008, 09:36 PM

go with the deca

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-27-2008, 10:00 PM

deca

**ml87** · 03-27-2008, 10:51 PM

thanks guys.. so im good with they original cycle then? should i throw in more pct or am i fine?

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-27-2008, 10:53 PM

your PCT is nolva only ?

**ml87** · 03-27-2008, 11:00 PM

thats all i have on hand.. i can get clomid too

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-27-2008, 11:03 PM

your cycle looks good.
get your hands on clomid and run both that and nolvadex for you PCT for 4 weeks.

**ml87** · 03-27-2008, 11:20 PM

so critique this:
test e wk 1-14 500 mg/wk
deca wk 1-12 400 mg/wk
dbol wk 1-5 40 mg/day
clomid and nolva pct.
should i run nolva during cycle or just at end?

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-27-2008, 11:29 PM

looks good. only run nolva during cycle is signs of gyno

**ml87** · 03-27-2008, 11:45 PM

thanks for all your help jacked! now i know from previous cycles to inject test e 250 mg every 3.5 days. whats the schedule for deca ? just add 200mg deca to he syringe every time? and when do i start pct? i want to map out his whole cycle on my calendar

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-27-2008, 11:52 PM

ya they can be mixed in the same syringe. same as the deca twice a week some people do it once but imo i go twice.
PCT starts 2 weeks after last shot of test.

**ml87** · 03-28-2008, 12:10 AM

again thanks alot bro.. is the upper right hand corner banner really good for clomid and nolva? i already got some nolva from another source but im iffy on its legitness

**ironaddict69** · 03-28-2008, 12:12 AM

I can't stress enough what Jacked already said, DO NOT use nolva unless you have to. Anything that minimizes estrogen will minimize your gains. I promise you that.

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-28-2008, 12:13 AM

np... ya you could get your stuff there.. if your not sure if your nolva is legit or not post a pic up inthe pic section and i will take a look at that as well as others.

**AandF6969** · 03-28-2008, 12:14 AM

Man my titties started lactating on deca . Get cabergoline fo sho and some B6

**jAcKeD!!!!** · 03-28-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

I can't stress enough what Jacked already said, DO NOT use nolva unless you have to. Anything that minimizes estrogen will minimize your gains. I promise you that.

i agree with that but better safe then sorry.

**ml87** · 03-28-2008, 12:32 AM

i can get b6 at my job.. recomended dosage? prefered brand? run throughout cycle?
an how do i take the cabergoline?

**ironaddict69** · 03-28-2008, 12:35 AM

Wow wow, this is exactly what I'm talking about. everyones different. I year round run test and deca at HRT doses, and add in whatever I want when I want. I have had my estro be 3 times normal, and my nipples are fine, theyre not flat, but nothing anyone would be gyno concerned about. Just because he started lactating, does that mean you will? What about me? Will I? Slow down. Caber is a heavy drug, it can have TERRIBLE side effects. 400 mg of deca probably wont cause any problems, I would have nolva on hand, and take injectible b complex if possible. Why? Well it raises energy levels considerably, will keep prolactin at bay, and up your appetite!

**ml87** · 03-28-2008, 12:43 AM

ok so clomid therapy is fine after cycle w/o nolva?

**ml87** · 03-28-2008, 02:21 AM

the research chems arent showing up?

PT · 03-28-2008, 03:00 AM

i personally only like eq for cutting and deca for bulking so since your also running test and d-bol you might as well add deca and make it a perfect bulker

**RAWDEAL:** · 03-28-2008, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by jAcKeD!!!!

looks good. only run nolva during cycle is signs of gyno

Run a AI at .5 mg, not nolva (serm) during cycle when running Nandrolones like Deca or Tren , I learned that the hard way..It agravates Progesterone Gyno Bro...Anmidex or Femara at .5..femera is a little strong thow, so you decide !
My cycle now is Test-e 500mg/Deca 400mg/dball50mg ED, and .5 EOD of Femera..Nice halflife on it, so you can get away w/ EOD !!!! Just My opinion Bro !

**ChuckLee** · 03-28-2008, 06:11 AM

Let me understand one thing. 5000 cals with 60% prots? They should be 750grams/day...are you sure?

**AandF6969** · 03-28-2008, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Let me understand one thing. 5000 cals with 60% prots? They should be 750grams/day...are you sure?

Yeah dude you have to be getting over 100 grams of protein every meal... thats like a pound of chicken... wtf

**ironaddict69** · 03-28-2008, 02:03 PM

Maybe he takes in a weight gainer with a few meals?

**ml87** · 03-29-2008, 12:46 AM

masstech 2x a day, nanovapor 1x a day and halo 1x a day.. yeah so 60 should b correct

**AandF6969** · 03-29-2008, 12:50 AM

Mass Tech only has 45g protein in it... nanovapor is a nitric oxide supplement so I'm not even sure it has any protein... and same with halo I don't think that has any protein either. I'm pretty sure your calories are way off dude.

**ml87** · 03-29-2008, 10:34 AM

aight this thread is vearing off to too much flaming.. thats wut i started this for, to lie bout my protein intake. its my daily goal, not always reached but the worst i do is 50 25 25.

**AandF6969** · 03-29-2008, 11:32 AM

We're just trying to help you. If we see that you may have miscalculated your daily calories and we point that out its not "flaming". I could give a shit if you don't get enough calories every day, it just means you're not going to get the best results.

**ironaddict69** · 03-29-2008, 12:44 PM

Okay stop crying, ChuckLee made a simple evaluation that from what you said you would be consuming 750 grams of protein, think about how hard that would be. Its difficult as hell for me to get in 350. I doubt the pros even get 750. Nobody even pointed a finger at you for it. Just get in as much as humanly possible and your cycle will go fine