First Cycle advice needed

[Ryan121]

Hey guys,

I am somewhat new to Gym, about 2 yrs. I am 29 yrs old, 5'9" 182 pounds, just got done with a mass over the winter. I eat very well 3688 calories, 315g protein, 427g Carbs, 70g fat. I will be moving onto a lean diet here soon 2592 calories 286g protein, 170g carbs, 70g fat. I work out 5 days a week, hard. I am currently on a Creatine, NO Explode, and some terriblus.

I have a way to get pharmacetiucal grade HGH or really anything. I shot Sustanon 250 once....really one tme and I must of not of cleaned the injection area; b/c I got a really bad infection in my lower back so I didn't continue. I have tried prohormones twice, I seemed to get gains and a ripped look. So this would be my first REAL cycle.My objective for the summer is all
look based I want to slim down and get ripped. You know that tight, ripped looked is what I am looking for.

I am open to sugesstions though I hear HGH is really good in many ways.
Should I do HGH with some other synergistic compounds? Please let me know your suggestions...***I would need to know the amounts as well...***

BTW - I am not a big needle lover so keep that in mind while making your suggestions.

[mkrulic]

I'd run this:
8 weeks
test enan or sust 500mg/week
most people on this board will not recomend hgh to a novice user.

[Civic0]

throw in dbol 40 mg/day for the first 4 weeks...its the BEST

[mkrulic]

throw in dbol 40 mg/day for the first 4 weeks...its the BEST

this is a first run

[nowdenlid]

test e 12 weeks @ 500mgs every week (split into 2 shote ew 250mgs mon and same on thursday)

add dbol if you want @ 30-40 mgs ed.(first 4 weeks)

make sure you got a solid pct ..

[mkrulic]

test e 12 weeks @ 500mgs every week (split into 2 shote ew 250mgs mon and same on thursday)

add dbol if you want @ 30-40 mgs ed.
make sure you got a solid pct ..

first run

[ChuckLee]

Leave HGH off yet. Start w/test E/C only @ 400/500 as my mate stated.
You can add a kicker like Dbol @ 40mg/day for the first 4-5 weeks, waiting for the test to kick.
Shot the test twice a week.
Do you know what PCT is?

CL

[ChuckLee]

first run

Again...it's not bad for a first run too.

CL

[nowdenlid]

this is a first run

AND????????????

[mkrulic]

Leave HGH off yet. Start w/test E/C only @ 400/500 as my mate stated.
You can add a kicker like Dbol @ 40mg/day for the first 4-5 weeks, waiting for the test to kick.Shot the test twice a week.
Do you know what PCT is?

CL

test will kick in about 2 weeks. I think he can wait two weeks. imo, if you can get drunk on a 6 pack why drink a case? he'll get great gains on a simple run. so why not keep it simple?

[ChuckLee]

test will kick in about 2 weeks. I think he can wait two weeks. imo, if you can get drunk on a 6 pack why drink a case? he'll get great gains on a simple run. so why not keep it simple?

You are the luckiest dude in AR if your test E/C kicks in 2 weeks!
C'mon be more realistic please.

CL

[nowdenlid]

test will kick in about 2 weeks. I think he can wait two weeks. imo, if you can get drunk on a 6 pack why drink a case? he'll get great gains on a simple run. so why not keep it simple?

TEST E WILL NOT KICK IN AROUND WEEK 2 IMO,I SAY MORE LIKE WEEKS 4-6 FOR MY OWN EXPERIANCE....

DBOL AND TEST E FOR FIRIS A SIMPLE CYCLE BRO

[mkrulic]

You are the luckiest dude in AR if your test E/C kicks in 2 weeks!
C'mon be more realistic please.

CL

I think you must be right cause after 6 weeks Im about plateaued. I guess everybody responds diff.

[mkrulic]

TEST E WILL NOT KICK IN AROUND WEEK 2 IMO,I SAY MORE LIKE WEEKS 4-6 FOR MY OWN EXPERIANCE....

DBOL AND TEST E FOR FIRIS A SIMPLE CYCLE BRO

it does for me. dbol seems excessive. stop shouting at me

[ChuckLee]

Ok test E/C kicks in 2 weeks...

I'm going bed.
Bye
CL

[mkrulic]

Ok test E/C kicks in 2 weeks...

I'm going bed.
Bye
CL

everyone I know starts to notice in two weeks. everyone reacts to hormones differently. so for a first run kis. see how you respond. make adjustments after you know what needs adjusting. put the horse infront of the carriage

[Ryan121]

Leave HGH off yet. Start w/test E/C only @ 400/500 as my mate stated.
You can add a kicker like Dbol @ 40mg/day for the first 4-5 weeks, waiting for the test to kick.
Shot the test twice a week.
Do you know what PCT is?
Chuck Lee....I am down for your recommend cycle though I have some questions?

1)Why your recommendation over HGH, T4, and Clen?
2) As a newbie, I need I know this sounds dumb, but do I need two bottles a Cypionate and a Enanthate? KEEP IN MIND I AM GETTING PHARM GRADE STUFF, I GOT A FRIEND. If so, how many bottles will I need for a your recommended cycle? not sure if I will do the dbol though....
3) again my objectives are to get ripped down...will this do the trick?
4) I would like to get my PCT as well... what would you recommend?

[mkrulic]

Leave HGH off yet. Start w/test E/C only @ 400/500 as my mate stated.
You can add a kicker like Dbol @ 40mg/day for the first 4-5 weeks, waiting for the test to kick.
Shot the test twice a week.
Do you know what PCT is?
Chuck Lee....I am down for your recommend cycle though I have some questions?

1)Why your recommendation over HGH, T4, and Clen?
2) As a newbie, I need I know this sounds dumb, but do I need two bottles a Cypionate and a Enanthate? KEEP IN MIND I AM GETTING PHARM GRADE STUFF, I GOT A FRIEND. If so, how many bottles will I need for a your recommended cycle? not sure if I will do the dbol though....
3) again my objectives are to get ripped down...will this do the trick?
4) I would like to get my PCT as well... what would you recommend?

These two are about the same. no need for one or two of both. pick whichever is easier to get you hands on but just one type. find out if you like the enan or cyp better. they both have about the same half-life