To Test Or Not To Test!

**Socio** · 11-06-2001, 08:51 PM

Hey guys thanks for the welcome aboard theres alot of knowledge floating around this board....

"To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect." from this very on site anabolic review Testosterone Enanthate 's Drug Profile bottom fourth paragraph

Now im putting all the necessary pieces to the puzzle of my first cycle , now im getting 2-3 10ml bottle of cypionate because i have a good price but not using it first cycle , im also getting some dbol and deca along with clomid and tamoxifen (nolvadex ).

My first cycle was inspired by the words of Dan Duchaine i think said it "If you cant grow on Deca and Dianabol You wont grow no matter how fancy it is" so im looking for some input from you guys my current stats are 5'7 198-200lbs ...

sorry for the long msg guys hope to hear from you soon.

**Nathan** · 11-06-2001, 08:59 PM

Personally, I'd go with test/d-bol. That way you can get some Liquidex (which you'll need with the d-bol anyway), and shouldn't need to worry about gyno. HOWEVER, with deca and d-bol if the gyno monster rears its ugly head then you can't be sure which is causing it. Also, a slightly shorter ester like cyp kicks in faster than deca and is out of the system faster to make better use of your off time. I grew like crazy off test/d-bol.

**atwa** · 11-06-2001, 09:41 PM

test should be the back bone of any cycle.

**LAWNSAVER** · 11-06-2001, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by atwa
test should be the back bone of any cycle.

AMEN!!!

**bigkev** · 11-06-2001, 10:11 PM

test and dbol bro. cant go wrong there.

**Socio** · 11-06-2001, 10:28 PM

So , you think even for a first cycle , one should choose
maybe Test Cypionate and Dianabol ... No Deca , deca can be expensive , perhaps ill use some primo instead.

So ill run 200mgs of Cyp through 8-10 weeks and 20mg of dianabol through weeks 1-4 or 1-6.

Then use some clomind weeks 13 on???? unsure of when to start the clomid

**marx** · 11-06-2001, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by atwa
test should be the back bone of any cycle.

Well said...

**marx** · 11-06-2001, 10:53 PM

I must have posted that last response at the same time you posted yours...

Ok, if you want to stay conservative, try this...

Weeks 1-10 - 400mg Cyp
Weeks 1-4 - 25mg dbol ED

Arimidex .25mg ED (if not arimidex, at least nolvadex )
Clomid two weeks after last shot, 300mg day 1, 100mg for 10 days, 50mg for 10 days

A pretty good first cycle...

marx

**Socio** · 11-07-2001, 05:57 AM

alright guys thanks for the info.
im undecided if i want to add some deca or not you wanna know something weird in australia out milk thistle products normally have 10,000 mg NOT 1000 of Milk Thistle , and this new one has 30,000 (YES THAT RIGHT 30g) of Milk thistle how high do you have in u.s.a?

So , you guys think it would make much of a muchness if i added 200mgs of deca per week to my Test Cyp and Dbol stack?