Dry FREAKY MASS Cycle

**needbigguns** · 04-07-2008, 08:13 AM

Hello.

I am looking for a summer lean freaky mass cycle... I have a lot of experiance with juice etc so high doses are welcome

Am i right in thinking, if i take Letrozole , i will get ZERO estrogenic sides ? I run Arimidex often but usually take 4mgs every 3rd day due to the nature of my job.

I would like as much size as possible from this cycle but also to stay lean and dry.

I would like to run tren acetate at 700mgs per week, would also like to try Equipoise as i have never run this before... I would like to front load so i see the effects of it fast.

In regards to tests, i do not know weather or not to go with Prop, or Enthenate if i will get zero bloat with Letro. Ideally i would like to run 1 gram plus of test but this is hard and expensive with prop.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated, bear in mind with my job i can only shoot Monday Wed Friday which will still be fine with fast acters although i know it could be better

Thanks

**VTliftVT** · 04-07-2008, 08:18 AM

if you are running tren ace you might as well use test prop with that since youll be shooting often anyway. even if you take test e with letro to stop the bloat atleast youll be getting more test per mg with the prop...and props cheap.

**shifty_git** · 04-07-2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by VTliftVT

if you are running tren ace you might as well use test prop with that since youll be shooting often anyway. even if you take test e with letro to stop the bloat atleast youll be getting more test per mg with the prop...and props cheap.

I agree with what VTlift said, if ya ganna go with tren a, go with test p.

If you wanna jab less frequently why not go with Tren E?

My advice would be to keep ya test dose lower and utilize the Tren and EQ.

Why take higher test doses only to have to then take strong AI's like letro which will inhibit games.

Check out this thread by Merc on estrogen and gains.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

**needbigguns** · 04-07-2008, 11:54 AM

What dosage would you recommend for EQ ? and how much should i front load with ? also, what dose test would you recommend ?

I am thinking along the lines of Tren A, Prop, EQ and Winstrol although i would like to bulk as much as possible... Thinking about running winny at 100mg ED.

Whats the shortest amount of time i could run EQ at a high dosage ? I would like to use it for 8 weeks if possible although i know traditonally it should be used for much longr - but if i front loaded, then would i not get around this problem ?

Thanks

**dupa95** · 04-07-2008, 11:58 AM

stats include age

**Puffader** · 04-07-2008, 12:17 PM

4mg arimidex every 3rd day? That's a lot. Why so much?

**needbigguns** · 04-07-2008, 01:35 PM

Simple have a 1mg squirty bottle from a research chems company, just usually have a few squirts each 3rd day due to convenience with my job etc... Could this be hindering my gains ? My gains so far havent been bad, but could they have been better at a much lower dosage ? i am very prone to fat face you see which makes me look like shit

**Njord** · 04-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by needbigguns

Simple have a 1mg squirty bottle from a research chems company, just usually have a few squirts each 3rd day due to convenience with my job etc... Could this be hindering my gains ? My gains so far havent been bad, but could they have been better at a much lower dosage ? i am very prone to fat face you see which makes me look like shit

Yes that is a high dosage and it's a good chance it is hindering your gains. How did you come up with 4mg's E4D?

**Puffader** · 04-07-2008, 01:56 PM

I'd be more worried about your HDL cholesterol.
Get your blood checked. Have them also check Total/Free TesT and Estro.
You shouldn't need more then 1mg Every 2-3 days...

**needbigguns** · 04-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Why is this ? explain why you swould be worried ? should i be worried ?

**mkrulic** · 04-07-2008, 02:44 PM

the amount of test you want to run will not work w/ test p. use enan. dont go for that prop will be lean and enan for bulk. test is test, its this diet that makes the difference. leave out the eq. gains from this will be miniaml and you dont have room in the syringe. test and tren w/ proper diet and excersize will be plenty

**green22** · 04-07-2008, 05:47 PM

If ya gonna run a gram of test I would go with a longer ester. I used test e, tren e and winny a couple months back, stayed hard and got very strong.

**needbigguns** · 04-07-2008, 06:28 PM

Well my gaols are freaky lean mass if possible... and i dont want to do test deca dbol .

I would like to be as lean as possible but i am not competing or anything and naturally pretty lean around 11-12% BF...

I it will be summer then in the UK so any fat loss would be good but i have read and heard of tren offering freaky gains at a high dosage... The first time i had tren at 75mg EOD it did give me freaky gains in comparision to previous gears, i want that again but on the next level.

Would you not suggest EQ at a high dosage ?

**legobricks** · 04-07-2008, 06:32 PM

4mg of adex E4d????

HOLY CRAP! That is quite a hefty amount .5mg ED is a lot and i beleive the active life of arimidex is only 48hours. Spread it out if your worried about bloat/water retention. .25mg ED is a normal dose to combat that. I garuentee that is what is hindering gains. Check out Mercs article on estrogen and your gains.

One more thing, HOW did you get a custom title with only 1,174 posts?

**legobricks** · 04-07-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by needbigguns

Well my gaols are freaky lean mass if possible... and i dont want to do test deca dbol .

I would like to be as lean as possible but i am not competing or anything and naturally pretty lean around 11-12% BF...

I it will be summer then in the UK so any fat loss would be good but i have read and heard of tren offering freaky gains at a high dosage... The first time i had tren at 75mg EOD it did give me freaky gains in comparision to previous gears, i want that again but on the next level.

Would you not suggest EQ at a high dosage ?

Ok, you can use any AAS and either cut or bulk. Its all diet dependant. If you use substances like dbol, deca, or long estered tests and bloat up the adex can help with that. Any 19nor will give you great gains and coupled with a lean diet you will achieve good results or what you are looking for.

EQ sucks, Tren is 10,000 times better so i doubt you'd be happy with it. Tren is great and im not sure of what compares or is better in terms of lean dry freaky gains.

**soulstealer** · 04-07-2008, 06:37 PM

Prop 50mg ED Weeks 1-12
Tren Ace 100mg ED Weeks 3-10
Masteron 100mg ED Weeks 1-12
Anavar week 4-13 50mg ED Weeks 2-11
Aromasin 20mg ED Weeks 1-15
Nolvadex 20mg ED Weeks 12-18
HCG 300iu's Weeks 2-12
T3 30mcg ED Weeks 1-12

There it is bro your Dry Freaky mass cycle.. Var optional

**mkrulic** · 04-07-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Prop 50mg ED Weeks 1-12
Tren Ace 100mg ED Weeks 3-10
Masteron 100mg ED Weeks 1-12
Anavar week 4-13 50mg ED Weeks 2-11
Aromasin 20mg ED Weeks 1-15
Nolvadex 20mg ED Weeks 12-18
HCG 300iu's Weeks 2-12
T3 30mcg ED Weeks 1-12

There it is bro your Dry Freaky mass cycle.. Var optional

I wouldn't try this w/o direct access to a ugl. I see 2.5-3ml every day otherwise.
If you have access to a ugl it would be better to go w/ a mix of long esters and short w/ a higher concentration and shot less often.

**soulstealer** · 04-07-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

I wouldn't try this w/o direct access to a ugl. I see 2.5-3ml every day otherwise.
If you have access to a ugl it would be better to go w/ a mix of long esters and short w/ a higher concentration and shot less often.

I love short esters as long as the shot isnt painful 2 a day is no big deal

Glutes/Traps/delts/quads and repeat

**mkrulic** · 04-07-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

I love short esters as long as the shot isnt painful 2 a day is no big deal

Glutes/Traps/delts/quads and repeat

wow. for lack of a better response. whats shooting in your traps like? I got pretty big traps I always wondered.

**soulstealer** · 04-07-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

wow. for lack of a better response. whats shooting in your traps like? I got pretty big traps I always wondered.

Its a strange sensation..... very... strange hard to describe.... its not painful unless your gear is painful but its like pushing the syringe through a block of frozen meat cause its so dense

if that makes any sense

**needbigguns** · 04-08-2008, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Prop 50mg ED Weeks 1-12
Tren Ace 100mg ED Weeks 3-10
Masteron 100mg ED Weeks 1-12
Anavar week 4-13 50mg ED Weeks 2-11
Aromasin 20mg ED Weeks 1-15
Nolvadex 20mg ED Weeks 12-18
HCG 300iu's Weeks 2-12
T3 30mcg ED Weeks 1-12

There it is bro your Dry Freaky mass cycle.. Var optional

Please can you try and restructure it a little... I cannot get Anavar but i can get masteron.

Would you not possibly suggest throwing in long acting esters carefully with fast acters ?

reason being, i only really want to do around the 6 week mark. 8 Weeks would be the ABSOLUTE MAX.

In addition to that, i can only shoot Monday - Wednesday - Friday due to my job.

If you could bear that in mind and restructure a killer cycle that would be good.

- By the way, with under 2k of posts... I was under the impression i received a title at 1k, when i hit 1k and didnt receive it i was gutted ! So begged and pleaded with one of the mods :-) cheated. Sorry lol

Thanks

**soulstealer** · 04-08-2008, 07:19 AM

Prop 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tren Ace 100mg ED Weeks 1-8
Masteron 100mg ED Weeks 1-8
Aromasin 20mg ED Weeks 1-10
Nolvadex 20mg ED Weeks 8-12
HCG 300iu's Weeks 1-8
T3 30mcg ED Weeks 1-8

Stay away from long esters if your going to keep the cycle to 8 weeks.... and bump the dosages of your non test items... the aromasin/masteron should keep you from getting sides with the tren ace so I would bump both the mast and the tren to say 125mg ED.....but thats only if you've had experience with tren of course it can be rough at that high a dosage if your not used to it...

**needbigguns** · 04-08-2008, 09:58 AM

Thanks for that but i will not be running the T3 as i am not a fan of the drug... I will however possibly take Clenbuterol .

Please can you explain why you added Aromasin in here ?

I will be addin winstrol to the cycle at 100mgs ED.

I know its hard to say as everyone is different, but would one expect a decent amount of mass gains from the proposed cycle ? My diet will be fairly clean but nothing competiton like.

Thanks

**Markosterone** · 04-08-2008, 10:48 AM

yes you would gain alot from that cycle. also you will get freakish dry and ripped...

**Njord** · 04-08-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Prop 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tren Ace 100mg ED Weeks 1-8
Masteron 100mg ED Weeks 1-8
Aromasin 20mg ED Weeks 1-10
Nolvadex 20mg ED Weeks 8-12
HCG 300iu's Weeks 1-8
T3 30mcg ED Weeks 1-8

Stay away from long esters if your going to keep the cycle to 8 weeks.... and bump the dosages of your non test items... the aromasin/masteron should keep you from getting sides with the tren ace so I would bump both the mast and the tren to say 125mg ED.....but thats only if you've had experience with tren of course it can be rough at that high a dosage if your not used to it...

How will aromasin and masteron help with side effects from tren?

**soulstealer** · 04-08-2008, 03:13 PM

the T3 will prevent an increase in prolactin from the route of trenbolones effects on thyroid hormone production and AI's have been proven to decrease progesterone receptors in your tissue which I have experience using aromasin and letro to prevent/stop tren related side effects at higher dosages... as well as masterons theoretical effect on progesterone as a dht and its know effect of mild AI like action on estrogen...

The T3 obviously not being for fat loss but maintenance during cycle...