Question about physical harm from steroids

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 12:57 AM

I was poisoned about a month ago and had liver/kidney failure. I had a speedy recovery and my liver/kidneys are functioning at normal values now. My question is, I have a tren acetate, test prop and winny combo. Will it have serious effects on my body if I were to start a cycle soon, or is it something I should wait on? If anyone who knows a lot, preferably a vet, please let me know what I should do. Thanks in advance bros!

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 01:17 AM

Winny is quite harmful on your liver, being a c17-aa, so I'd keep it out from your cycle.
What are your stats? Age?

**D-Unit 39** · 04-09-2008, 01:19 AM

Not that it's necessarily relavant... but how were you poisoned bro?

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by D-Unit 39

Not that it's necessarily relavant... but how were you poisoned bro?

What?

**SECdominance** · 04-09-2008, 01:32 AM

yeah winny couldnt be good for you regarding that liver failure

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 02:10 AM

I got poisoned from some cleaning agent at a restaurant. I've made a really good recovery, but my liver came back about 2-3 weeks ago. The problem is, the juice I have is a mixture, so I can't omit anything. It's 100mg test prop, 75mg tren ace & 50mg of winny. Would you guys strongly encourage me to not bother? Also, since its an injectable winny is it still as toxic on my liver as the oral winny?

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Winny is quite harmful on your liver, being a c17-aa, so I'd keep it out from your cycle.
What are your stats? Age?

I'm 26 years old.. as far as my stats I'm 5'9" 180 lbs about 10-12% BF (haven't checked in a while) and this would be my 3rd cycle. I haven't had a cycle in about 2 years though.

**AthleticEngineering** · 04-09-2008, 02:16 AM

I'm not an expert but common sense tells me that you should wait for a couple months.

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by AthleticEngineering

I'm not an expert but common sense tells me that you should wait for a couple months.

That's what I was thinking.. but do you think that I'll be safe to start my cycle if I did wait a couple months, like June for example?

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by smokeydabear

I got poisoned from some cleaning agent at a restaurant. I've made a really good recovery, but my liver came back about 2-3 weeks ago. The problem is, the juice I have is a mixture, so I can't omit anything. It's 100mg test prop, 75mg tren ace & 50mg of winny. Would you guys strongly encourage me to not bother? Also, since its an injectable winny is it still as toxic on my liver as the oral winny?

Yes, it is the only injectable that is c17-aa as well as any other oral of that kind. They're both way harsh on your liver.

CL

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by smokeydabear

That's what I was thinking.. but do you think that I'll be safe to start my cycle if I did wait a couple months, like June for example?

Yes, but I'd leave the winny and get my liver checked regularly.

CL

**AthleticEngineering** · 04-09-2008, 02:43 AM

He can't leave out the winny it's all mixed together he said. I would wait a while, get bloodwork and then go from there. Which is more important, growing muscle or staying alive?

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by AthleticEngineering

He can't leave out the winny it's all mixed together he said. I would wait a while, get bloodwork and then go from there. Which is more important, growing muscle or staying alive?

Growing muscle for sure!!!

Mixed together? Combo? Never heard of this...

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by AthleticEngineering

He can't leave out the winny it's all mixed together he said. I would wait a while, get bloodwork and then go from there. Which is more important, growing muscle or staying alive?

Staying alive obviously. So what kind of cycle would you guys recommend that would be safe for my liver and kidneys so that I wouldn't jeopardize my health?
And how long would you wait to start that cycle to be safe?

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Growing muscle for sure!!!

Mixed together? Combo? Never heard of this...

It's a UGL Ultimate Ripper combo mix.

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 03:00 AM

WOW, sounds cool. How many mg/ml?

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

WOW, sounds cool. How many mg/ml?

100mg/ml test prop
75mg/ml tren ace
50mg/ml winny

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 03:20 AM

So 225mg/day...sounds am heavy injections protocol imo...

CL

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

So 225mg/day...sounds am heavy injections protocol imo...

CL

So what kind of cycle would you recommend considering my situation.. and when you think I should start? This will be my 3rd cycle.

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 03:37 AM

On which compounds do you have experience from the past?
And what are your goals and your diet looks like?

CL

**smokeydabear** · 04-09-2008, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

On which compounds do you have experience from the past?
And what are your goals and your diet looks like?

CL

My first cycle was 500mg/week of test enan for 12 weeks.

My second cycle was 40mg/ed of dbol for weeks 1-4, 500mg/week of test enan for 12 weeks and 400mg/week Deca durabolin for 13 weeks (I think).

My goal for this cycle is to have more of a cutting cycle.

**ChuckLee** · 04-09-2008, 03:59 AM

So I'd go with a prop/tren /var cycle or a prop/tren/mast or prop/tren/EQ.

Weeks 1-12 : Test Prop @ 75mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 : Tren Ace @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-8 : Anavar @ 60mg ED

Or

Weeks 1-12 : Test Prop @ 75mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 : Tren Ace @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 8-12 : Masteron @ 100mg EOD

Or

Weeks 1-12 : Test Prop @ 75mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 : Tren Ace @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-12 : Equipoise @ 500mg/week

CL