why are people so against dbol only cycles?

[colts2407]

what about anadrol instead?

[whiteronniewannabe]

Im on dbol only cycle and i cant imagine what it would be like to have better gains then im already getting. Cant wait untill im older and can try out test sus etc. I consulted loads of different sources and the split was evan between dbol no good on its own and good. I suppose it just depends how your body reacts, but with all the big boys on here advice is never too far away. Good look bro!! My bench is up 10kg alreay on 5 reps and im only two weeks into my cycle.

[ChuckLee]

Why don't go with Dbol, Adrol, Halo and Winny for 6 weeks?

[goose]

For pussies that are afraid to inject,the parrots are full of shit,using Dbol at low doses will work,using a AI,to keep water down,and if you cycle lean around 10%.Less water means more gains when doing this.


Article by Bransholme

How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.



Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.

Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.

Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.

This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gain

[ChuckLee]

For pussies that are afraid to inject,the parrots are full of shit,using Dbol at low doses will work,using a AI,to keep water down,and if you cycle lean around 10%.Less water means more gains when doing this.


Article by Bransholme

How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.



Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.

Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.

Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.

This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gain

right said bro, BTW very informative post.

CL

[goose]

you see lee,we got all type of levels that use AAS,and I got no problem with the people that are not hardcore.they train well and eat well,and just want to do one cycle a year with an oral.I dont have a problem with it,I think its safer than using pro-hormone Designer Steroids.IF I was one of these I would go for:
Dbol 10 weeks 20mg per day with 10mg Aromasin per day.
Start the cycle at 9% BF.

[ChuckLee]

I fully understand, my first cycle was Dbol only too, but I use to not advice them simply because gains don't last so much so it is further a waste of health imo.

CL

[Z-Ro]

For pussies that are afraid to inject,the parrots are full of shit,using Dbol at low doses will work,using a AI,to keep water down,and if you cycle lean around 10%.Less water means more gains when doing this.


Article by Bransholme

How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.



Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.

Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.

Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.

This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gain

Nice post, as a matter of fact I was going to try something similar to this myself...but I will admit I was thinking in the range of 30mg per day. Never thought about taking the weekends off but maybe 25mg per week for 6 weeks would be better...this would be used in conjunction with Test and a AI...

Goose, I remember you being a big Primo buff and whats funny is people knock Dbol but its pretty well known that all the old school guys loved Dbol...you ever try this method out Goose or anyone else for that matter.

[Lil man 10]

this is the first time I have seen this theory but actually started smilar a week ago on my own logic. I have been using 15mgs per day but havent taken weekends off. may try that if I stay on more than 6 weeks. so far no huge gains but do have more stamina, taking .25mgs letro per day, I respond well to it, this may not be the best for others, it has kept the water low so far and shouldnt have to worry about estro sides.

[Z-Ro]

this is the first time I have seen this theory but actually started smilar a week ago on my own logic. I have been using 15mgs per day but havent taken weekends off. may try that if I stay on more than 6 weeks. so far no huge gains but do have more stamina, taking .25mgs letro per day, I respond well to it, this may not be the best for others, it has kept the water low so far and shouldnt have to worry about estro sides.

How are your strength gains?

I prefer lower dosage cycles myself, just me. Being on two compounds is more than enough for myself but I prefer longer cycles. I just stick with Test and plan on adding in Eq or Deca, maybe some Dbol. Thats why I was thinking of doing 30mg or so for a longer period of time vs most guys I know that use 50+ for 4-5 weeks.

[Lil man 10]

nothing major yet maybe an extra rep but its only been one week

[whiteronniewannabe]

Goose5 - Very good post. I read that exact same article before starting my cycle. Taking weekends didnt appeal to me as I train everything once a week only, split over 5 days. So Arms, at the end of the week fall on a Saturday - Im too much of a self obsessed gym rat not to get every op for my arms to get big. Excellent call on the post though. 3rd week into dbol and upped intake to 60mg a day.

[perfectbeast2001]

i dont reccomend them because of the type of people who want to do them. the typical Dbol only cycle guy is under 21 has only been traininga year and consumes fast food and alcohol. If a well trained individual with good diet was going to run it and provide a good theory behind doing so then i owuld be in complete agreement.

[RA]

I havent read every post and I dont know if this has been mentioned but most people who do dbol only cycles have no business using aas at all. They dont eat right or train consistantly and expect dbol to make them look like a bodybuilder.


edit: woops guess I should have read the post above me..lol

[ChuckLee]

i dont reccomend them because of the type of people who want to do them. the typical Dbol only cycle guy is under 21 has only been traininga year and consumes fast food and alcohol. If a well trained individual with good diet was going to run it and provide a good theory behind doing so then i owuld be in complete agreement.

Great point PB. This is absolutely true.

[whiteronniewannabe]

i dont reccomend them because of the type of people who want to do them. the typical Dbol only cycle guy is under 21 has only been traininga year and consumes fast food and alcohol. If a well trained individual with good diet was going to run it and provide a good theory behind doing so then i owuld be in complete agreement.

I`d like to add that I am 21 and use dbol ONLY because I dont want to start jabbing myself first. Just to fight my own corner a) I dont drink at all b) I dont eat fast food at all c) I have a very strict schedule on training, with set days etc d) I try and perfect my eating as far as my work can permit. We are not all pro bodybuilders or are in jobs we can cansume all these meals. I eat every 2.5 - 3hours, evan if its just two tuna sandwiches d) Ive come along way since being 16 years old and obese at 18stone. Its taken me alot of hard work to get where I am today, evan if its not standing next to Jay cutler on the Mr O podium

But, I do see you older guys point. Surely you golden oldies remember when you were younger. throw some slack guys

[customworksking]

Dbol is hard on the liver, and you gain 25 lbs, but 15 is water.

I'm no vet but,you only have 1 liver and it's nice to get the gains from dbol but what if u the small% that have bad sides from it...when u r in the er what do u say? who do u tell? u asked us here..but if u r in the er r words mean nothing..as it's too late..test is the best and E go's well past 12 weeks on a 12 week cycle ..inj is best IMO...good luck...

[T3/T4 GSR]

If you can run some masteron with it. I did that once and I was strong as hell and really lean. The masteron prevented all the estrogenic sides. I was taking like 40-50mg of dbol too. Ran this for 6 weeks.

[respek]

Why don't you use a tbol cycle. It is supposidely much better than d bol because there are minimum side effects and you keep most of the gains.

[bigswole32]

ive seen people use dbol only cycles with good results. to me its a waste. i guess it depends on the person really. i just wouldnt do it because it doesnt give me much mass. if im gonna do a cycle i wanna do a proper cycle that will give me good results

[ecto9]

Goose I like that article and what you had to say about dbol. It's pretty much an individual thing as far as i can tell. Like the idea of low dosing over alonger period.

Ran a dbol only as my first cycle. I think it's prolly the most popular thing for a newbie to do, lol!

It was impressive at first, but over all and after a few months, back to where I was with nothing. Not just 20lbs of water for me, but fat also. Not opposed to ever doing it again but deff run an AI with it if ever again.

[roid_rage]

If you can run some masteron with it. I did that once and I was strong as hell and really lean. The masteron prevented all the estrogenic sides. I was taking like 40-50mg of dbol too. Ran this for 6 weeks.

man....I seriusly doubt masteron alone is going to keep estrogenic sides away from 40-50 mg dbol.... may be you are just not prone to gyno... but to someone that's normal or is prone to gyno, 40-50 mg. dbol will giving tits bigger than pamela anderson's tits...no matter how much masteron you use...