why are people so against dbol only cycles?

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 09:37 PM

i have always wondered why people dont reccomend dbol only cycles? is it because you gain alot of water weight? or are the gains just not good period? because i have done some research and it seems that gains on a dbol only cycle can be 20-25 lbs... or is the main problem that without a good PCT you wont keep the gains?
im just curious because i believe that if your diet is in check it would be good? corect?

**SaSqUaDgE** · 04-13-2008, 09:38 PM

and it is bad on the liver

**200byjune** · 04-13-2008, 09:39 PM

yes dbol is a better muscle builder then test

**cold1** · 04-13-2008, 09:41 PM

And you can put that kind of weight on with a test only cycle especially if its your first or second cycle. You will keep more of your gains, have less sides, it will be easier on your liver.

**kick6** · 04-13-2008, 09:42 PM

Dbol is hard on the liver, and you gain 25 lbs, but 15 is water.

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 09:43 PM

so are you saying the gains would just make you look like a balloon?
ive heard people having pretty quality gains and looking pretty ripped off just dbol

**200byjune** · 04-13-2008, 09:43 PM

yes but dbols gains r in such little time.

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 09:45 PM

isnt that the goal of alot of people tho?
to gain alot of muscle in very little time?

**busaboy27** · 04-13-2008, 09:48 PM

has anyone else noticed that u get less water weight with the liquid than the pill? i dont know if its just me but i noticed it...

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 09:50 PM

never tried the liquid.. starting a cycle of just oral tomorrow thats why im asking everybody why people are against it

**big_dubya33** · 04-13-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by colts2407

never tried the liquid.. starting a cycle of just oral tomorrow thats why im asking everybody why people are against it

here's how i think about it:

Dbol is a harsh compound; hard on the liver, high conversion to estrogen, bad for bloat, hair loss and acne for many people etc. so you probably shouldn't run it more than 6 weeks, maybe 8 max. You can do that but you're going to shut your body's test production down and have to do pct etc to keep any gains.

Therefore it makes more sense to use in with something you can use for longer term. Add to 12 weeks of test, which takes time to kick in - and you have 6 great weeks on dbol followed by the benefits of the test injections - then you can go to pct with better gains from a full cycle.

No reason you can't run dbol alone IMHO but you can do a lot better if you create a good complete cycle.

Again just an opinion based on lots of reading and friends who are pros. I've only run three cycles and yet to use dbol.

Good luck

W

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 10:04 PM

good info
thanks bro.
so basically everybody is saying you WILL get great gains from dbol , but its just harder to keep the gains without stacking something such as test with it?

**tadpoleboyy** · 04-13-2008, 10:06 PM

there nothing wrong with dbol only, if you do it right. Im not against at all. But id rather take dbol plus some injectables, bigger gains. If i was in a situation where i could not inject, dbol would be my choice.

**big_dubya33** · 04-13-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by colts2407

good info
thanks bro.
so basically everybody is saying you WILL get great gains from dbol, but its just harder to keep the gains without stacking something such as test with it?

again i'm outside of my realm of personal experience here - but i think you could get some gains from dbol only. Be warned - I also hear going from dbol straight to pct is a hard crash b/c dbol is so strong...anecdotal stories of depression, huge loss of gains, etc. I highly recommond you wait to add the test - but its up to you. Let us know how it turns out.

W

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 10:09 PM

thats what i wanted to here... because i cant inject at the moment

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 10:10 PM

ill keep you bros updated.. im starting this tomorrow... should i start off at 30 or 40 mgs?

**big_dubya33** · 04-13-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by colts2407

thats what i wanted to here... because i cant inject at the moment

have you injected before? I was scared out of my mind the first time. Now I fvcking love it. just a little pinch

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 10:12 PM

nope never.. and used to be afraid of needles.. but now i have 3 tattoos!

i want to inject so bad! need a trustworthy source tho! lol

**big_dubya33** · 04-13-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by colts2407

nope never.. and used to be afraid of needles.. but now i have 3 tattoos!

i want to inject so bad! need a trustworthy source tho! lol

understood

**colts2407** · 04-13-2008, 10:20 PM

so what about the dbol only cycle starting tomorrow..
start at 30 or 40 mgs? and 6 or 8 weeks? or less?

**200byjune** · 04-13-2008, 10:21 PM

i would go 40 40 60 60 50 30

**tadpoleboyy** · 04-13-2008, 11:37 PM

ive done dbol only, at about 40mg ed. Didnt get gyno at all, and followed thru with proper pct. No depression, wasnt shut down bad at all. Kept an ok amount of the gains, some was water.

**colts2407** · 04-14-2008, 12:19 AM

what were your stats before and after?

**Test-Prop604** · 04-14-2008, 01:48 AM

deciding on the 6 or 8 weeks? i would just go with your body and mind on that one when the time comes.

**fujitsupalm** · 04-14-2008, 02:12 AM

i've had a dbol only cycle, let me tell ya, the way the gain was so fast, i increased my max bench by at least 50lb, i think i could have lifted more, but didn't try cos of the pyschological thing you see.

afterwards the drop was so fast! that i basically fell back to before i started the dbol, not to mention the depression of losing so much strength and gain, the natty test level was messed up, um... i guess i will never in my life do a dbol cycle again (well it's just me).

**austin4023** · 04-14-2008, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by fujitsupalm

i've had a dbol only cycle, let me tell ya, the way the gain was so fast, i increased my max bench by at least 50lb, i think i could have lifted more, but didn't try cos of the pyschological thing you see.

afterwards the drop was so fast! that i basically fell back to before i started the dbol, not to mention the depression of losing so much strength and gain, the natty test level was messed up, um... i guess i will never in my life do a dbol cycle again (well it's just me).

wait to get some test dbol only is a waste of dbol IMO

**colts2407** · 04-14-2008, 07:52 AM

what if my goal for now is to just get huge for summer vacations?
then when i get back run a full dbol , test cycle?

**ChuckLee** · 04-14-2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by colts2407

what if my goal for now is to just get huge for summer vacations?
then when i get back run a full dbol, test cycle?

Clenbuterol

**colts2407** · 04-14-2008, 07:57 AM

thats coming today..
i was going to stack it with the dbol .. how would that be?

**FREAK** · 04-14-2008, 07:57 AM

bro ur not going to get huge off one d-bol only cycle my advice to u would be do some more research and save ur pennies for a complete cycle

**ChuckLee** · 04-14-2008, 07:59 AM

Maybe you're just ready for your vacation but want to have that little more...but who cares, you'll probably be still better of all the people around you, even without that lil more.

CL

**FREAK** · 04-14-2008, 08:01 AM

we have all been in the same shoes as u.take some advice i have run d-bol only and gained 17lbs but bloated up,not to mention back pumps and hair loss

**colts2407** · 04-14-2008, 08:10 AM

hair loss isnt a prob.... i shave my head!

**FREAK** · 04-14-2008, 08:13 AM

well at that note my work is done here,im not going to lecture u on the pros and cons of d-bol only do what u want

**ChuckLee** · 04-14-2008, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by ramblin freak

well at that note my work is done here,im not going to lecture u on the pros and cons of d-bol only do what u want

Agree, it's worthless to keep this thread opened while we all know that he's gonna do that no matter what we're telling him.

CL

**respek** · 04-14-2008, 08:35 AM

The weight you gain from dbol is mostly water. Therefore, good luck keeping your gains.

**colts2407** · 04-14-2008, 08:36 AM

how about running dbol and andriol ?

**FREAK** · 04-14-2008, 08:38 AM

how about d-bol weeks 1-4 50 mg ed
test -e weeks 1-12 500 mg and proper pct

**BIGDOGIRISH** · 04-14-2008, 07:11 PM

Your probably going to blow up around 25lbs in 4-6 weeks.
Just be prepared to drop back down 10-15lbs within a week or two of coming off the stuff.

I say go ahead and do it. People say its hard keep the gains but isnt 10-15lbs really good after 4-6weeks???

Id stick with 40mg ED for 6 weeks IMO

You got Nolva??