some help please!

[Elias]

3 options:
cycle1: 12 weeks: test + winstrol(last 5weeks)
cycle2: 12 weeks: test+ primo+ oxandrolone.
cycle3: 12 weeks: clenbuterol only

no cycle experience whatsover. 90kgs, 13%bf, 25years old, 186cms.

[nowdenlid]

i would go with test e 500mgs every week split into 2 shots per weeks @ 250mgs mon and 250ms thurs for 12 weeks.

maybe a dbol kicker @ 40mgs ed for the first4 weeks ..

whats ya pct look like?

[ChuckLee]

What are your goals? PCT?

[Elias]

Goals get a bit bigger and really cut....
pct: depend on my cycle and what test am goin to use
but its gona be nolva and clomid (the regular)
2 weeks after my last test E shot or 3 days after my last Test Prop shot.

[Phate]

Goals get a bit bigger and really cut..Pick one, cause bulking and cutting are polar opposites, you have to take in more calories then you expend to bulk and you have to expend more calories then you take in to cut, (very basic explaination but you get the point) if your diet is perfect you can turn a test cycle into a lean bulker with some fat loss
pct: depend on my cycle and what test am goin to use go to pct section and read pneednos pct, its a sticky, really good read
but its gona be nolva and clomid (the regular)
2 weeks after my last test E shot or 3 days after my last Test Prop shot.good idea

the standard first cycle is
1-12 test enth 500mg/week shot monday morning and thursday night
(optional) 1-4 dbol 40mg/day to kickstart the cycle since test won't "kick in" till about week 5-6

post your diet in the diet forum so we can critique it

[Elias]

that's why i was asking if i only take the 3d cycle only clenbuterol to cut so i can later do my first cycle and clean bulk (save it to get more big)..... am really lost:S
am in cutting mode right now.

[Phate]

i'd run 12 weeks test e 500mg/week shot monday morning and thursday evening and post your diet to make sure it's clean

that'll give you a clean bulk, then after pct you can run a clen cycle to shed some extra fat is you want

[Elias]

9:30: fasted cardio for 45-50 mins
11:4weetabix(p=8g,c=50g,f=20c),2scoopsON(p=48g,c=8 gs,fat=2g),0fat milk(p=8g,c=12,f=0g),powder zero fat milk for sprinkling(80calories)

1:labneh(p=8g,c=4g,fat=0),chicken breast(p=23g,c=0,f=1.2),peanut15gs(p=3,7g,c=2,5g,f =7,3g), salad(tomatoes+onions+cucumber)

3: pre-wo:2caps of lipo6,5g creatine, oatmeal30g(p=4g,c=20,25g,f=2,25g),labneh(same as before),chicken(same as before),salad(same as before),milk(26calories)

4:30: training

5:45-6: pwo shake (2scoops procomplex p=55g,c=4g,f=2g + creatine

7:30 chicken(same as before),oats(same as before),salad(same as before),powder milk(26calories).

10: 1 scoop casein(p=23g,c=4g,f=1g),zero fat milk(p=8g,c=12,f=0g),peanuts15g(p=3,7g,c=2,5g,f=7, 3g) mix everthing in a blender at 9pm and put in freezer for an hour and eat.
sometimes i add 2 other meals depending if am hungry or not they consist of a whey shake+milk

11:sleep
APPROX 2320calories

[ChuckLee]

Total daily macros, please. Best cutter should be Test+Tren imo

[Elias]

proteins: 300g
carbs: 150g
fats: 40g
sometimes i alternate my carbs and fats. i have low carbs days and high carbs days.
Tren??? first time?! wont clenbuterol alone and good diet +cardio help me get to single digits? my trainer is advising me to keep my cycle for clean bulking after hiting single digits in bodyfat....advices are really appreciated.
thx

[ChuckLee]

I said that's the best cutter. No matter when.
Clen alone won't make you a litter bigger, it just helps you on your cutting.
But if your primary goal is to reach single digit bf, so stick with diet+cardio+clen.

CL