Sust250 / Winni / Decca / Var / cycle help !!!

[Greenzx10]

Hi All

Need some good sound solid advice here. This is my first cycle and i feel like i have made a ton of mistakes and lost a ton of money...

Posted a few times in regards to var only cycle... that stopped when i was not able to get more var...

Stats:
35yrs old
5ft 10"
186lbs
18-20%BF
been lifting for almost 2 yrs

Started out on Var, i was taking 80mg ED for about two weeks. Due to the cost i did not by all my gear up front ( 1st mistake ) when I went back to get more var i was not able to get it. So i guess there was two weeks wasted and a lot of money... lesson almost learned!!!

I was advised to do a test cycle, and ended up getting 12 weeks worth of sust250. i am injecting 500mg a week, split twice a week... I started this 3 weeks ago and i am injecting my rear delts. No problems so far... knock on wood...

Like everything i do, i got over my head and wanted more, so i got winni tabs and decca.

I started the winni tabs 2 weeks after my first sust250 injection and i am taking 60mg ED split 3 times a day.

3 weeks after i started the sust250, last night actually. I injected 200mg 1cc of decca and 200mg 1cc of sust250, mixed the two together and injected my rear delt. So far no problems, other then my hand and arm felt a little weird for a minute or two...

I also ended up getting the anavar since i pre-paid this time, but was told not to take this until the tenth week, this will help keep my gains and will prevent gyno?

I am currently doing this as my cycle...

500mg week sust250... split twice a week... 12weeks
400mg week decca... split twice a week, injected with the sust250. 12weeks
60mg ED winni.... split three times a day.... 12weeks
80mg ED var.... tenth week into cycle... 10weeks

I dont have a PCT, i was told that i dont need one unless i notice anything... Need to know what your thoughts are on PCT for this cycle ? and if I am doing to much or not enough of any of the cycle mentioned above...

Last... I have always questioend if this is real or fake, I have not seen any gains in strenght or size. My diet and routine are solid...

Thanks...

[im83931]

Wow your cycle is all over the place. You should probably stop and regroup.
1)Oral winnie is hard on the liver. I wouldnt run it for more than 6 weeks. ( I also dont think it matters if you split it up durring the day)
2)For a first cycle all you need is test 500mg per week.
3)Var will not prevent gyno.
4)And who ever told you that pct was only if you have problems was WRONG. When you finish that cycle you will be shut down.

[longhorn814]

wow you need to stop and research what the hell youre doing or your just gonna mess yourself up..PCT is necessary after every cycle..do you make it a habit of just putting foreign substances into your body without researching what they do??

[dd0316]

jesus christ! go get some nolva and hcg ! this is the big reason ppl get ****ed up on steroids ...RESEARCH DUDE!...ive been researching for a year and still am not ready to cycle
...i seriously hope someone here is able to help u out...cuz from the sounds of it...ur in a mess

[Greenzx10]

I am not sure what to do from here. I want to continue with my cycle, but i just need some direction....

what if i stop the winni and pick it up later with the Var... and for now only do the Sust250 and decca...

What should i take for PCT? and when do I take the PCT?

[ChuckLee]

You are too fat to start a cycle. It will make you even fatter.

CL

[Greenzx10]

Can i just get some help !!! please...

so i dont ***k my self up... what do i need to do other then stop my cycle.

Can someone please help me alter this cycle and help me with a PCT...

[Kansas City Boy]

First off... You took way too much Var for your first time. You couldve seen a lot better results by halving the var mg ed and running it twice as long

secondly.. You probably should have started with a test only cycle or test EQ cycle or test deca cycle.

Thirdly you're killing your liver bro... Take some milk thistle... Really cheap and really worth it

[longhorn814]

here's some advice..stop everything..get yourself some nolva and clomid and do a PCT as you are already shut down from the deca and sust..do some research about proper cycling and proper diet..steroids are not magic beans that will make you all magically jacked..diet and training are the keys..steroids are just icing on the cake..based on your stats you need to work on your diet

[longhorn814]

First off... You took way too much Var for your first time. You couldve seen a lot better results by halving the var mg ed and running it twice as long

secondly.. You probably should have started with a test only cycle or test EQ cycle or test deca cycle.

Thirdly you're killing your liver bro... Take some milk thistle... Really cheap and really worth it

hepatoxicity is way over exaggerated..the liver is very resilient and is designed to handle stress afterall its the bodies toxin filter..you should worry more about your cholesterol values as oral steroids destroy your profile in a very short time..youre HDL is probably close to zero already

[Kansas City Boy]

Wow your cycle is all over the place. You should probably stop and regroup.
1)Oral winnie is hard on the liver. I wouldnt run it for more than 6 weeks. ( I also dont think it matters if you split it up durring the day)
2)For a first cycle all you need is test 500mg per week.
3)Var will not prevent gyno.
4)And who ever told you that pct was only if you have problems was WRONG. When you finish that cycle you will be shut down.

Hit the mark!



Main thing is stop and regroup!!!

500mg Test weekly tops!

First off... You took way too much Var for your first time. You couldve seen a lot better results by halving the var mg ed and running it twice as long

secondly.. You probably should have started with a test only cycle or test EQ cycle or test deca cycle.

Thirdly you're killing your liver bro... Take some milk thistle... Really cheap and really worth it

And PCT IS A MUST!!!!!!!!

[Greenzx10]

My Trainning and diet are as good as it will ever get. I can go through the whole diet and 5 days i spend in the gym for 2hrs. but that is not the point...

I have managed to loose 7-9%BF and keep my weight between 185-190lbs, everything i read on all the compounds lead me to belive that they cut fat as well as build muscle. And that is right here on this website. I am sure there are many people here that get to the point of frustration and look for the extra edge to gain the extra pound of mucsle, or loose those last few pounds of fat. the point is, it is the last few steps of anything that is the hardest.

that brings me to now... It is still be reccomended for me to take a test cycle, or a test/decca cycle.

sust250 is test... Right? so what is wrong with me doing the sust250 and decca. I can stop the winni and save it for a second cycle down the road.

I have 10weeks worth of anavar that i can add the winni too for a later cycle. Or I can add the Var to this cycle 3/4 through...

Serious, what bennifit of me stopping and reading up on all of this is going to do. I will still need advice on a PCT later on. so why is everyone so relectant to help me... Why can't i get any straight answers here, other then STOP my cycle...

Help me figure out a plan for what I have, it can be altered right ? then help me with a PCT ?

PLease

[longhorn814]

you are under the impression that steroids burn fat and they dont..diet and cardio do..steroids are used to preserve muscle while on a calorie deficient diet..only do test for a first cyle is to see how you react to test since it needs to be the base of most cycle and you need to learn how to recover (PCT) from your cycle..deca is one of the most supressive steroids and needs a little more experience to properly recover from..if youre having problems leaning out, then you need to adjust your diet..little tweaks can make a huge difference

[Greenzx10]

Longhorn,

I have only done one injection of decca. this was done last night. 200mg.

I want to at least continue with the sust250 500mg week, is is really bad if i still use the decca at 200mg a week.

And should a stop with the winni ? and take some milk thistle starting tonight...

I really appreciate any help, to be honest i am kind of freaked out now... I dont want to damage myself... I hear so many different opionins on this that i get confused as all hell.....

[jeffefrijoles]

Oh god... alright stop what you're doin, cause I'm about to ruin, the image and the style that you're used to... you look funny, and yo - you're losin money... and gonna lose your liver and your natural test!! (a little Digital Underground remix in there) But seriously, these guys are all cotrrect and tryin to save your body, well being and your balls!!! I know you want to keep going, but this is the worst thing anyone can do - start a cycle without proper knowledge, proper PCT and all compounds on hand. Read EVERY sticky marked "IMPORTANT" in red in here:

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

Then, after you have chosen a PCT protocol, gather all your compounds, return to the boards for more research and advice, and then when ready - AND ONLY WHEN READY - start over. Trust me, you will thank everyone who is tryin to help you. Good luck brother!

[longhorn814]

run the sust and thats it..one shot of deca is more than enough to shut you down completely, between that and the sust Im sure you are so youre gonna need to do a PCT..i suggest you study everyting you can about PCT and figure out what you wanna do..just keep doing 500mg/wk of sust

[Greenzx10]

after being stressed out lastnight and reading up on all the PCT options and the compunds that i have taken i have a planed PCT...

I will continue my cycle with Sust250 @ 500mg week and decca @ 200mg week. The winni will be reserved for later on. so i got some milk thistle and took this lastnight and this morning...

I went out lastnight to a friend for some help who is no stranger to cycling. I bought all my PCT yesterday and now have this on hand.

He did say it is not a bad idea to start Nolvadex while on my cycle @ 20mg ED. Any thought on that ?

My concern with Nolvadex is there have been a lot of studies done where it has shown to promote cancer, and it is a registered carcinogen too... So i am not sure about taking this.

PCT

Clomid = 30days @ 100mg ED 2 weeks / 50mg ED 2 weeks
Arimidex = 30days @ .5mg ED 2 weeks / .25mg ED 2 weeks
Nolvadex = on hand if needed...

I was also reading on CORTISOL, would taking clen after as part of my PCT be a bad idea.

[longhorn814]

you shouldnt run nolva with deca or any 19-nor steroid ..it can upregulate the PgR (progesterone receptor) and increase the likelihood of gyno..if you want to keep bloat down or start seeing gyno..use an AI such as a-dex instead

[Greenzx10]

Thanks ...

So i am on the right path then i guess...

This will be my PCT and I will start 2 weeks after my last injection.

PCT..
Clomid = 30days @ 100mg ED 2 weeks / 50mg ED 2 weeks
Arimidex = 30days @ .5mg ED 2 weeks / .25mg ED 2 weeks

Also, what do you think about Clen as part of my PCT...

[longhorn814]

PCT start time is 18 days after last shot of sust and 21 days after last shot of deca ..run the sust one week longer than deca and then start PCT 18 days after you last shot of sust..you can run nolva during PCT too..just not during cycle..clomid/nolva/adex is a good PCT..dont bother with clen during PCT either..

[Greenzx10]

Thanks For you help Longhorn...

This woke my ass up.

I have no regrets, other then i should have educated myself more...

I have all my PCT including nolva, as well as multi vitamins and *****'s to raise the good cholestorel.

No that I have everything I need, i can focus on the easy part... Trainning and diet.

Once a gain. Thank you

[Z-Ro]

hepatoxicity is way over exaggerated..the liver is very resilient and is designed to handle stress afterall its the bodies toxin filter..you should worry more about your cholesterol values as oral steroids destroy your profile in a very short time..youre HDL is probably close to zero already

Hey man, bump that up. Longhorn I have noticed you are all over oral posts with cholesterol. I do agree with you that many people do not think about what oral steroids do to you internally; did you get negative bloodwork back that changed your mind on orals?

[xavier_888888]

Another person SAVED by AR!!

[longhorn814]

Hey man, bump that up. Longhorn I have noticed you are all over oral posts with cholesterol. I do agree with you that many people do not think about what oral steroids do to you internally; did you get negative bloodwork back that changed your mind on orals?

yeah Ive always gotten bloodwork done before, during, after cycle and I see how negatively oral steroids affect your lipids value..injectable affect it to a degree but not like orals..ive seen my HDL go from 38 to 10 in 8 days before..i had a girl that worked in a lab and would test me everyweek..think about it..where is cholesterol generated? In the liver..so if youre stressing your liver with orals, its not going to be able to generate cholesterol properly..theres nothing wrong with orals but a lot of people dont think about the cholesterol side..they worry more about the liver than their lipids and I think thats something people need to be more aware of