is this too harsh for a first cycle?

[boDAWG]

750mg test e week 1-12
90mg 'drol week 1-4

or would

500mg test e week 1-10
50mg 'drol week 1-5

be better?


tryin to bulk obiviously


DECISION: not doing a cycle till august im gonna try to get down to about 12-14% before i do a cycle plus i dont think im educated enough just yet so im gonna wait, thanks all of you for your input


21 yrs old
235
18% bf
no prev cycle

[jAcKeD!!!!]

stats ?

[boDAWG]

stats ?

posted

[jAcKeD!!!!]

wow im blind :P
my bad..

2nd option bro.

pct??

[jAcKeD!!!!]

... wait im not blind you posted them after and edited you post lol

[gixxerboy1]

def not the first but why are you trying to bulk if your already 18%

[boDAWG]

wow im blind :P
my bad..

2nd option bro.

pct??

still working on PCT and yeah i edited after you posted hahaha

[iagainsti]

More is not always better especially with a 1st cycle. How about a 500mg/wk test only cycle 10-12 wks ? See how you react to it and the sides will much more managable.

[boDAWG]

def not the first but why are you trying to bulk if your already 18%

i can cut after i bulk, its not a biggie to me, i dunno if i could do winny and a50 in the same cycle somehow......

[MattUK666]

Is the difference alot between 500mg and 1000mg of Test E? The difference it has on your body...

[PEWN]

how about getting down to around 13% bf before you cycle ?

[shifty_git]

At 1000mg there's more chance of aromatization so therefore a need to use an AI.

So in some cases the higher dose is just wasted.

With 18% BF go with the 2nd option, make it 12 weeks, but cut down carbs and up protein.

Check out the diet section for that.

(obviously your ganna go ahead with the cycle no matter what people say, but cutting bf% first would be the much better choice)

[MattUK666]

Whats aromatization?

I can see what your saying, remember im doing a 1000mg per week cycle of Test E, I dont want to waste any etc, I need to slow down the side affects, but I want all the good affects of it lol...

[shifty_git]

Whats aromatization?

I can see what your saying, remember im doing a 1000mg per week cycle of Test E, I dont want to waste any etc, I need to slow down the side affects, but I want all the good affects of it lol...

conversion of test to estrogen.

[MattUK666]

Hmmm, can you explain please mate?

[kick6]

Hmmm, can you explain please mate?

The male body contains a chemical called aromatase. This chemicals job is to convert testosterone to estrogen. This chemical lives in fat.

So....


The more testosterone you have in you, the better the odds are its going to convert to estrogen.

The fatter you are the better the odds are its going to convert to estrogen=.

[MattUK666]

Wow ok, thankyou for that, im not fat at all, so thats a good thing, but my next question is, what happens when the test does convert into estrogen?

[shifty_git]

And check out these to threads.

This one telling you on what need to be controlled
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

And this one
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

[MattUK666]

Wow ok, some great information there! So it can create gyno, which is why we need the nolva on hand.

So what its saying is, the more test we shoot (lets say 1000mg per week), the more chance we will get gyno, ok, im just understanding this....

What about the effects of the test on the body, as in, is it simple like, the more mg per week you shoot, the bigger you get and stronger you get? Or is there a point where it will just not work anymore, like lets say, over 800mg per week? Does that make any sense?

Thanks

[shifty_git]

Wow ok, some great information there! So it can create gyno, which is why we need the nolva on hand.

So what its saying is, the more test we shoot (lets say 1000mg per week), the more chance we will get gyno, ok, im just understanding this....

What about the effects of the test on the body, as in, is it simple like, the more mg per week you shoot, the bigger you get and stronger you get? Or is there a point where it will just not work anymore, like lets say, over 800mg per week? Does that make any sense?

Thanks

Well nolva being a SERM wont stop aromatization, but will bind to the estro receptor and stop the estro from binding to it.

An AI like arimidex will stop the aromatization in the first place, which is what makes it the better choice to use on cycle.

Yep ya right about there being a point it wont benefit anymore. Every guys level is different, but some people get no better gains on 1000mg per week compared with say 500mg.

A bit of estro is a good thing though, so theres a point where its a pro... but once the estro level rises 2 much it becomes a con. Which is the reason not to take ya AI from the start of the cycle but only take it once the pro switch's to a con.

check out this thread by Merc on estro and gains.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

[boDAWG]

Wow ok, some great information there! So it can create gyno, which is why we need the nolva on hand.

So what its saying is, the more test we shoot (lets say 1000mg per week), the more chance we will get gyno, ok, im just understanding this....

What about the effects of the test on the body, as in, is it simple like, the more mg per week you shoot, the bigger you get and stronger you get? Or is there a point where it will just not work anymore, like lets say, over 800mg per week? Does that make any sense?

Thanks

ORRRR you can start your own thread and get responses there.....how does that sound???

[MattUK666]

That link is great, everyone should read this stuff before doing anything (including me).

Now im wondering if 1000mg per week is a little too much of Test E, im only doing it because I have enough to do that amount....doing 1000mg per week wont stop me gaining though, right?

[MattUK666]

lol sorry, your right, my apologies.

At least someone other than me may have learnt new things too, though.

[MattUK666]

Plus it was because we are about to do very similer cycles, im doing test E aswel, but at 1000mg per week, and anadrol instead of d-bol.

[boDAWG]

Plus it was because we are about to do very similer cycles, im doing test E aswel, but at 1000mg per week, and anadrol instead of d-bol.

how many prev cycles do you have? if its ur first there is no need to go over 500mg, plus im holding off on my cycle for a while till i cut down

[MattUK666]

Just one previous, this is 2nd cycle.

But, if 1000mg per week is too much, I can cut it down to 750mg, but if it works as in, the more you shoot, the bigger you get, i'll stick with 1000mg. lol

[boDAWG]

Just one previous, this is 2nd cycle.

But, if 1000mg per week is too much, I can cut it down to 750mg, but if it works as in, the more you shoot, the bigger you get, i'll stick with 1000mg. lol

the more you shoot the more gains the more sideaffects too though

i think you should stick with 750mg bro

[MattUK666]

The only side im worried about is hairloss, since it runs in my family. I need to find something to stop that.

Oh, sorry, I just read that your doing anadrol? Thats what Ive got, it will be the first time using anadrol, im feeling good about that, I will be taking 100mg per day for 6 weeks.

[boDAWG]

The only side im worried about is hairloss, since it runs in my family. I need to find something to stop that.

Oh, sorry, I just read that your doing anadrol? Thats what Ive got, it will be the first time using anadrol, im feeling good about that, I will be taking 100mg per day for 6 weeks.

WOW 100mg for 6 weeks? bro where are you getting these digits from?
you need 50-100 for about 5 weeks no need for 6 weeks thats too long 4 or 5 weeks on 'drol at 50mg a day would be plenty otherwise youre gonna end up bloated and full of water

[shifty_git]

100mg a day for 6 weeks is fine.

Anadrol´s hepatoxicity is over rated.

[MattUK666]

I got the figures from steroid.com, if you go to anadrol, it says you can happily run anadrol at 100mg for 6 weeks (max), im going to use milk thistle with it though, as its toxic on your liver.

Your right, im pushing the figures to the max on both parts for my cycle, after my cycle im going to give it a good 6 months off to recover, or longer.

[MattUK666]

I think before I do 1000mg of test per week, I want to find out exactly what the affects of that will be, compared to 500mg per week.

[200byjune]

back to this thread. werent u doin a cycle an got an infection and stopped?

[ggoyal]

this is why you spend as much time as you need researching this shit. From my understanding, you should take 25mg nolva/ED when on first cycle. keep letro on hand incase you show signs of gyno. At that point, you will continue your cycle, stop nolva and take letro(check dosage, check c_bino's post). Also, take 40mg dbol ED 1-4 weeks along with the 500mg test. It's the recommended and tested newbie cycle. should help you gain 20lbs if you maintain a proper diet.

[boDAWG]

back to this thread. werent u doin a cycle an got an infection and stopped?

yes i was, got some legit gear this time though, but im still gonna hold off

[200byjune]

ya youll be much happier at 13% on a bulker youll grow very nicely. as for the cycle id say since your bulking. hit the adrol at 75mgs ed weeks 1-4 run your test at 500mgs ew for 12 weeks and run the adrol 11-14 at 50mgs ed. if i could do it over that would be my cycle

[boDAWG]

ya youll be much happier at 13% on a bulker youll grow very nicely. as for the cycle id say since your bulking. hit the adrol at 75mgs ed weeks 1-4 run your test at 500mgs ew for 12 weeks and run the adrol 11-14 at 50mgs ed. if i could do it over that would be my cycle

what i decided to do is

winny 100mg e/d for 8wks
clen for 8 wks (2wks on 2 wks off)

im gonna start this on may 15th and run it through july 15th, after that im starting a test e cycle....im gonna try to get down to about 11 or 12% in two months, im cleaning up my diet lowering carbs upping protein and we shall see what happens, starting clen tomorrow morning adding winny on the 15th

[MuscleScience]

The male body contains a chemical called aromatase. This chemicals job is to convert testosterone to estrogen. This chemical lives in fat.

So....


The more testosterone you have in you, the better the odds are its going to convert to estrogen.

The fatter you are the better the odds are its going to convert to estrogen=.

The Aromatase enzyme is not just expressed in adipose tissue. It is expressed in a variety of tissue's such as the brain, gonads, skin and bones just to name a few. Not trying to step on your toe's, Just trying to point out to some that may think that if they are very lean that estrogen conversion and gyno can't happen to them.

You are correct in the fact that the more fat a person has the greater chance of gyno.

[kick6]

The Aromatase enzyme is not just expressed in adipose tissue. It is expressed in a variety of tissue's such as the brain, gonads, skin and bones just to name a few. Not trying to step on your toe's, Just trying to point out to some that may think that if they are very lean that estrogen conversion and gyno can't happen to them.

You are correct in the fact that the more fat a person has the greater chance of gyno.

Good call. I was just trying to make things as simple as possible.

[Bulldog1115]

WOW buddy..750mg/w of test is way much for a newb... ur androgen recptors are perfect ..start off with 500mg/w def because if you **** with your receptors now u will need more and more test or pure androgens in your future cycles to see any gains!..and chuck the anadrol because ur bf is way to high!

DO NOT DO WINNI WITHOUT TEST PROPINATE!..winni does not burn fat its put striations in ppl with low bf percentages!, so without diet and cardio, winni does not burn bf {but clen does}. If anything test with aid in burning fat b/c androgens burn fat also!...do ur research!