Not gaining weight

[docangel]

I am not gaining weight. Here is what i am doing, and would appreciate your feedback.

1. 3600 calories per day. 5-7 600 calorie meals, organic and fresh, mainly, fish, steak, chicked, eggs, cheeds, oatmeal, yogurt, fruit, veggies, flax seed and ***** 3 and protein shakes.

1 gallon of water per day

FYI, i believe in low doses. I have never had side effects or off cycle challenges, and this is my 5th cycle. I have been lifting for years, and 3-4 times per week for the last 2 straight years.

2. 1.5 CC Test Cyp and 1 CC Deca on Sunday
3. .5 CC Test Cyp and .5 CC Deca on Thursday
Anastrozole .5mg per day

i am in my 4 week of a 12 week cycle.
Off cycle HCG and Clomid ready to go

I'm 6'1 175lbs and was 170lbs when i started 4 weeks ago. 6% BF

Feedback?

[jAcKeD!!!!]

5th cycle and 6'1 only 175 ?

... how do you beleive in low doses?
whats you age?
hows your trainin? only 3-4 times per week ?

[docangel]

Age 30

training is intense and with a trainer. my strength is awesome.

How do i believe in low doses? Because i have had no side effects and want to keep it that way, and i am open to increasing them, i just dont know how much, your thoughts?

[jAcKeD!!!!]

your going to get sides regardless when taking AAS it is impossible not to. which is why people divide there doses / have a good pct to prevent less sides.
key to gainin weight is a high caloric intake, maybe you should try some weight gainer in your daily eating routine.

[AandF6969]

Jesus fukkin christ dude, 5th cycle, 6'1, and 175?

Something is seriously wrong with your diet, and/or training.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

Jesus fukkin christ dude, 5th cycle, 6'1, and 175?

Something is seriously wrong with your diet, and/or training.

thats what i was tryin to say but in a nicer way

[fedorrulz]

eat more. if that doesn't work, find a new source as you are using snake oil.

[Darksyde]

I am not gaining weight. Here is what i am doing, and would appreciate your feedback.

1. 3600 calories per day. 5-7 600 calorie meals, organic and fresh, mainly, fish, steak, chicked, eggs, cheeds, oatmeal, yogurt, fruit, veggies, flax seed and ***** 3 and protein shakes.

1 gallon of water per day

FYI, i believe in low doses. I have never had side effects or off cycle challenges, and this is my 5th cycle. I have been lifting for years, and 3-4 times per week for the last 2 straight years.

2. 1.5 CC Test Cyp and 1 CC Deca on Sunday
3. .5 CC Test Cyp and .5 CC Deca on Thursday
Anastrozole .5mg per day

i am in my 4 week of a 12 week cycle.
Off cycle HCG and Clomid ready to go

I'm 6'1 175lbs and was 170lbs when i started 4 weeks ago. 6% BF

Feedback?

why are you not dividing your doses evenly?
your weight is a little low for AAS, i was 145 at 6'1 when i got serious about lifting and i got to 211 naturally, over about 6 years.
if you cannot gain weight off of gear then you will have trouble gaining weight on gear. messing with your hormones when you could do the same thing naturally with the proper actions.

[Mr. Warpath]

he should be gaining weight with just that diet, let alone with aas. Sounds like a combo of a very high metabolism and low dosed or fake gear.

[(1*)]

???? your trainer must be one of those young ones who makes you stand on a ball with one leg up while doing yoga curls with a pink dumbell.

find a trainer that looks like marcus ruhl and tell him your delimas.

[jackdup04]

How bout the mg per ml??? 1 and 1.5 tells nothing....

[ChuckLee]

Just reading your thread title I would say "eat more" and this sounds to be the only reason why you aren't gaining weight, that's it.

Nice custom title Jacked! Hope that is not you in your avy

CL

[Deen54]

The juice you are taking needs work

Deca is slow acting.. so you will see minimal results there.

Testosterone will cut you up and make you hard so you won't get

weight mass there. You will get strong and hard. Weight and mass you will

not attain.

if you want weight and mass change the testosterone to d-ball

and keep deca...or add d-ball to the mix.

eat more complex carbs.. try sweet potatoes, and yam, plantains, pasta.
try adding casien protein to you diet..for slower releasing and longer acting.

[J431S]

he should be gaining weight with just that diet, let alone with aas. Sounds like a combo of a very high metabolism and low dosed or fake gear.

that's what exactly i was thinking.

[White Ghost]

Bro, stay with the test, let me say it again "stay with the test".... My second cycle was Cyp 800ml (taw) Deca 300ml (oaw) 15 weeks. I've done 900ml of test a week without any problems "none".... and had great results!

[inky-e]

Bro, stay with the test, let me say it again "stay with the test".... My second cycle was Cyp 800ml (taw) Deca 300ml (oaw) 15 weeks. I've done 900ml of test a week without any problems "none".... and had great results!

I do believe you are confused about ml's and mg's,otherwise I think its safe to say....You'd be dead!

[White Ghost]

hahaha, my bad... i intended on mg! ya, it hurts like hell when you try injecting 900ml in your ass. lol

[mrsocks]

The juice you are taking needs work

Deca is slow acting.. so you will see minimal results there.

Testosterone will cut you up and make you hard so you won't get

weight mass there. You will get strong and hard. Weight and mass you will

not attain.

if you want weight and mass change the testosterone to d-ball

and keep deca...or add d-ball to the mix.

eat more complex carbs.. try sweet potatoes, and yam, plantains, pasta.
try adding casien protein to you diet..for slower releasing and longer acting.

Why would you switch from Test to dbol

bad advice

[mrsocks]

I am not gaining weight. Here is what i am doing, and would appreciate your feedback.

1. 3600 calories per day. 5-7 600 calorie meals, organic and fresh, mainly, fish, steak, chicked, eggs, cheeds, oatmeal, yogurt, fruit, veggies, flax seed and ***** 3 and protein shakes.

1 gallon of water per day

FYI, i believe in low doses. I have never had side effects or off cycle challenges, and this is my 5th cycle. I have been lifting for years, and 3-4 times per week for the last 2 straight years.

2. 1.5 CC Test Cyp and 1 CC Deca on Sunday
3. .5 CC Test Cyp and .5 CC Deca on Thursday
Anastrozole .5mg per day

i am in my 4 week of a 12 week cycle.
Off cycle HCG and Clomid ready to go

I'm 6'1 175lbs and was 170lbs when i started 4 weeks ago. 6% BF

Feedback?

Test takes about 4 weeks to kick in
You'll probably start seeing results very soon if your shit is legit

If I were you I'd up my calories by 500 for a week and see how my body responds then adjust them from there

How many mg's are in a cc of the cyp and the deca you're running?

[llrockyll]

Why would you switch from Test to dbol

bad advice

+2 glad some1 said it

[oker]

if you want weight and mass change the testosterone to d-ball

Why would you exchange the test for d-bol? There is no reason to take out the test here as it is essential in any cycle

[llrockyll]

mrsocks i agreed with what u said before u edited ur post lol and agree with that too

[docangel]

Thanks for the advice.

I added 500 calories a week.

Several of you mentioned adding d bol. I will continuing using test. so how do i add dbol .

what is your advice on adding D bol

[mrsocks]

**** dbol just eat more

If used Dbol should be taken for the first 4 weeks before the test kicks in, but since you are on your fourth week there is no need for it

[Deen54]

the dbol will gain the weight and water retention... the test won't do that.
The test will harden him up ..which is not what he needs he is already hard
and defined at that weight.

but i see something more serious now that i missed. You are eating all protien
and your carbs are lacking...great for quality...but you won't gain weight without
a sufficient source of carbs in your diet.

[MasterShake]

the dbol will gain the weight and water retention... the test won't do that.
The test will harden him up ..which is not what he needs he is already hard
and defined at that weight.

but i see something more serious now that i missed. You are eating all protien
and your carbs are lacking...great for quality...but you won't gain weight without
a sufficient source of carbs in your diet.

bro, test and deca is a great mass building stack... lay off the advice please.

[NATE0406]

the dbol will gain the weight and water retention... the test won't do that.
The test will harden him up ..which is not what he needs he is already hard
and defined at that weight.

but i see something more serious now that i missed. You are eating all protien
and your carbs are lacking...great for quality...but you won't gain weight without
a sufficient source of carbs in your diet.

what are you talking about??? your trying to say that test doesnt add mass??? i think you need to do more research before giving advice. and to the thread starter do NOT throw out the test and add dbol. your cycle is fine the way it is. just give it a little more time.

[docangel]

great feedback, thank you, I will give the cycle time and add more carbs.

[Deen54]

bro..Testosterone is more androgenic than anabolic ...Dianabol is mostly anabolic.

learn the defference between androgens and anabolics. This is basic.

Sure testosterone will add mass..but NOTHING compared to a D-bol or Anadrol . Gimme a

break...Anadrol even creates erythropoesis...(more blood).

Test will get you hairy..and give you strength who cares (it's muscle you want)...it's full of side effects.

Check under cutting steriods you will always see a testosterone...even strong one like

tren . The guy doesn't need cuts he is under weight.

stick with Anabolics buddy..if i were you I would be doing deca and dbol end of story.

[NATE0406]

bro..testosterone is more adrogenic than anabolic ...Dianabol is mostly anabolic.

learn the defference between androgens and anabolics. This is basic.

Sure testosterone will add mass..but nothing compared to a d-bol or anadrol . Gimme a

break.

Check under cutting steriods you will always see a testosterone...even strong one like

tren . The guy doesn't need cuts he is under weight.

Anabolics buddy..if i were you I would be doing deca and dbol end of story.

bro sorry but you are clueless. and to tell someone to run dbol and deca by itself shouldnt be giving advice.

[Phate]

bro sorry but you are clueless. and to tell someone to run dbol and deca by itself shouldnt be giving advice.

agreed^^^ deen54 you need to quit giving that type of advice as it could be harmful to someone, running dbol with deca is stupid by themselves for about 10 reasons and to say testosterone is only a cutter...i could go on for pages just off what you wrote but we have a no flaming rule so i'll just say go do some research before giving advice

[Big]

bro sorry but you are clueless. and to tell someone to run dbol and deca by itself shouldnt be giving advice.

amen to that.

[Big]

Deen54 I recommend you read more and post less, there are plenty of people here to answer questions responsibly, to be honest we don't need advice like you have been giving. We will be watching your posts.

[Deen54]

it is obvious you guys are misinformed. Telling someone who needs to gain weight
to take exlax...what's the total iq here?..lol

btw..i did a deca and dboll cycle and so i am speaking from experience. It was my best
gain ever and everyone around commented on how big i got. I had zero side effects and guess what. i didn't even need to do a PCT.

How many of you can say that?

Taking testosterone and playing with your endocrine glands...as if any of you know what you are doing...is scary..

actually what is more scary "is that you think you know what you are doing."

[NATE0406]

it is obvious you guys are misinformed. Telling someone who needs to gain weight
to take testosterone ...what's the total iq here?..lol

btw..i did a deca and dboll cycle and so i am speaking from experience. It was my best
gain ever and everyone around commented on how big i got. I had zero side effects and guess what. i didn't even need to do a PCT.

How many of you can say that?

Taking testosterone and playing with your endocrine glands...as if any of you know what you are doing...is scary..

actually what is more scary "is that you think you know what you are doing."

what???? im just going to let mods/vets handle this. this is prolly the worst advice i have ever heard...

[Big]

it is obvious you guys are misinformed. Telling someone who needs to gain weight
to take testosterone ...what's the total iq here?..lol

btw..i did a deca and dboll cycle and so i am speaking from experience. It was my best
gain ever and everyone around commented on how big i got. I had zero side effects and guess what. i didn't even need to do a PCT.

How many of you can say that?

Taking testosterone and playing with your endocrine glands...as if any of you know what you are doing...is scary..

actually what is more scary "is that you think you know what you are doing."

Consider this a warning, if you want to remain a member here, stop now. I'm not even going to waste the time explaining to you why a deca/dbol only cycle is ill-advised. You are giving bad advise and ignoring those that clearly know more than you, persist and you won't be happy with the outcome.

[Phate]

it is obvious you guys are misinformed. Telling someone who needs to gain weight
to take testosterone ...what's the total iq here?..lol

btw..i did a deca and dboll cycle and so i am speaking from experience. It was my best
gain ever and everyone around commented on how big i got. I had zero side effects and guess what. i didn't even need to do a PCT.

How many of you can say that?

Taking testosterone and playing with your endocrine glands...as if any of you know what you are doing...is scary..

actually what is more scary "is that you think you know what you are doing."

and you think dbol doesn't, did you know a moderate to high dose of dbol can drop your plasma testosterone levels 40%, tell me that isn't messing with your endocrine glands, and don't get me started on deca which is extremely suppressive of your natural testosterone production in your testies, which is again, another endocrine gland

i would say think before you speak, but it's obvious you don't know how

can we ban this guy before he gives some kid "advice" and the kid ends up hurting himself

[Big]

can we ban this guy before he gives some kid "advice" and the kid ends up hurting himself

depending on how he responds to my warning it is likely coming.

[Deen54]

Androgens and Anabolics

One of the key fundamentals you need to understand about steroids is the Androgenic and Anabolic components that all steroids have. The ration between these or the relative strength of each of the components is where most of the steroid engineering takes place.
All steroids are derivatives of the male hormone testosterone . This hormone is responsible for the male characteristics as well as muscle growth, protein synthesis and recovery and it is this component that is of interest to athletes. Furthermore, all steroids have two principal components, Androgenic and Anabolic and all steroids have an Androgenic component in varying degrees. The Androgenic component of steroids is responsible for the “male” characteristics. The Anabolic component is responsible of muscle growth, recovery and protein synthesis.

There are some problems surrounding the Androgenic component of steroids because this part of the steroid is primarily responsible for steroid side effects. The reason for this is that the body has androgenic receptor sites all over the place and depending on their relative function, they trigger a host of side effects form aggression to hair loss. The elimination of the Androgen component has been the primary focus of steroid engineering. If you eliminate the Androgen component while keeping the anabolic component you basically have a side effct free steroid. Sounds to good to be true, mostly because it is to good to be true.

The Androgenic component has a direct correlation to the Anabolic component. The lower the Androgenic component, the lower the Anabolic effct. This is why highly Androgenic steroids are typically highly Anabolic as well. The typical highly Anabolic steroids are less effective because of the reduced Androgenic component. This is where the cutting steroids got their classification from, typically they don’t yield the unwanted Androgenic side effects like water retention, but they are also less suited and less effective at building muscle mass.
The reduced Androgenic component and the differences in Androgenic profiles common to the different steroids also adds another dimension to the mix that is exploited by athletes that have been experimenting with combinations. Typically, some combinations of steroids in effect create their own hybrid engineer steroid with some unique characteristics. Sight differences in the testosterone molecules means that the receptor binding patterns are affected, sometimes with beneficial results and sometimes with negative results. This is, for the most part the reason why certain combinations of steroids work better together than by themselves.

Because it is difficult to always gauge the androgenic strength of a steroid, other than high, moderate or low, it is sometimes hard to choose combinations of steroids that will yield good results. Add to this the individual body chemistry and receptor mapping and the problem can become pretty complex. It makes predicting how combination will work for a specific person almost impossible. This is where the experimentation comes in. there really is no way around finding out what will work well for you other than to experiment.
I have listed the steroids in two ways, one alphabetically for quick reference and the other based on androgenic properties, High and moderate to low. The key is to chose simple combinations that will provide a highly Anabolic effect with a less pronounced Androgenic effect, bearing in mind that you need the Androgenic component. This sounds a little contradictory but basically what you are looking for a Androgenic steroid that does not affect you adversely, and then to combine this with and Anabolic steroid that will benefit from the other steroids Androgenic profile, yielding a combination that has less Androgenic side effects but rates higher in the Anabolic component in combination that as individual components.

Think about that for a while as we move on to another consideration.

The Androgenic component binds to Androgenic receptors all over the body including in the muscle cells where you want to trigger growth. This means that receptors in the central nervous system also gets stimulated so aggression may be the result, some with acne and so on. You also have to take anther little knack Androgens have into consideration, this is the process of testosterone conversion, both into estrogen, known as aromatising and into DHT or dehydrotestosterone. DHT is responsible for side effect like hair loss and enlarged prostate, while aromatizing cause water and fat retention, mood swings and so on.

This is another area of focus for steroid engineering. The lower the rate or “desire” the steroid has to aromatise or convert, the less potential side effct can be expected. The explanation as to why the conversion into estrogen can be beneficial to the bulking phase will be dealt with later, but it is important to note that some steroids like Deca can be adversely affected by an estrogen blocker used to reduce estrogen related symptoms, mostly due to the reduced androgen component. Typically there is a strong correlation between strength and size gains and the steroids conversion into estrogen. As a rule, the higher the Androgenic component, the more likely conversion into estrogen will take place.

The duality of size and strength compared to quality.

Most athletes want a steroid that will give them increase in size and strength as well as leaving them with quality muscle. By definition, steroids that yield huge increases in size and strength also means side effects and aromatising so considerable water retention plays a role in the weight gain. That water retention reduces the muscle “quality” because the athlete ands up looking smooth and not ripped. Being ripped is often the criteria most athletes use to define quality muscle and being ripped is a direct result of low subcutaneous body fat and low water retention in the skin. On both these count High Androgens work counter productively so the cutting steroids are used during the diet or ripping-up phase.

By using anti-estrogens and steroids like Proviron that stops the aromatising process, you can get a ripped quality look using high androgens, but at the same time you sacrifice size and strength do a large degree. The options are basically to bulk up and then cut down or to gradually add muscle from a position of low body fat. The route chosen is often determined by individual goals and expectations.

There are many factors that need to be balanced when it comes to choosing combinations of steroids but there is also much to be said for experimenting to see what works for you.

[Phate]

Androgens and Anabolics

One of the key fundamentals you need to understand about steroids is the Androgenic and Anabolic components that all steroids have. The ration between these or the relative strength of each of the components is where most of the steroid engineering takes place.
All steroids are derivatives of the male hormone testosterone . This hormone is responsible for the male characteristics as well as muscle growth, protein synthesis and recovery and it is this component that is of interest to athletes. Furthermore, all steroids have two principal components, Androgenic and Anabolic and all steroids have an Androgenic component in varying degrees. The Androgenic component of steroids is responsible for the “male” characteristics. The Anabolic component is responsible of muscle growth, recovery and protein synthesis.

There are some problems surrounding the Androgenic component of steroids because this part of the steroid is primarily responsible for steroid side effects. The reason for this is that the body has androgenic receptor sites all over the place and depending on their relative function, they trigger a host of side effects form aggression to hair loss. The elimination of the Androgen component has been the primary focus of steroid engineering. If you eliminate the Androgen component while keeping the anabolic component you basically have a side effct free steroid. Sounds to good to be true, mostly because it is to good to be true.

The Androgenic component has a direct correlation to the Anabolic component. The lower the Androgenic component, the lower the Anabolic effct. This is why highly Androgenic steroids are typically highly Anabolic as well. The typical highly Anabolic steroids are less effective because of the reduced Androgenic component. This is where the cutting steroids got their classification from, typically they don’t yield the unwanted Androgenic side effects like water retention, but they are also less suited and less effective at building muscle mass.
The reduced Androgenic component and the differences in Androgenic profiles common to the different steroids also adds another dimension to the mix that is exploited by athletes that have been experimenting with combinations. Typically, some combinations of steroids in effect create their own hybrid engineer steroid with some unique characteristics. Sight differences in the testosterone molecules means that the receptor binding patterns are affected, sometimes with beneficial results and sometimes with negative results. This is, for the most part the reason why certain combinations of steroids work better together than by themselves.

Because it is difficult to always gauge the androgenic strength of a steroid, other than high, moderate or low, it is sometimes hard to choose combinations of steroids that will yield good results. Add to this the individual body chemistry and receptor mapping and the problem can become pretty complex. It makes predicting how combination will work for a specific person almost impossible. This is where the experimentation comes in. there really is no way around finding out what will work well for you other than to experiment.
I have listed the steroids in two ways, one alphabetically for quick reference and the other based on androgenic properties, High and moderate to low. The key is to chose simple combinations that will provide a highly Anabolic effect with a less pronounced Androgenic effect, bearing in mind that you need the Androgenic component. This sounds a little contradictory but basically what you are looking for a Androgenic steroid that does not affect you adversely, and then to combine this with and Anabolic steroid that will benefit from the other steroids Androgenic profile, yielding a combination that has less Androgenic side effects but rates higher in the Anabolic component in combination that as individual components.

Think about that for a while as we move on to another consideration.

The Androgenic component binds to Androgenic receptors all over the body including in the muscle cells where you want to trigger growth. This means that receptors in the central nervous system also gets stimulated so aggression may be the result, some with acne and so on. You also have to take anther little knack Androgens have into consideration, this is the process of testosterone conversion, both into estrogen, known as aromatising and into DHT or dehydrotestosterone. DHT is responsible for side effect like hair loss and enlarged prostate, while aromatizing cause water and fat retention, mood swings and so on.

This is another area of focus for steroid engineering. The lower the rate or “desire” the steroid has to aromatise or convert, the less potential side effct can be expected. The explanation as to why the conversion into estrogen can be beneficial to the bulking phase will be dealt with later, but it is important to note that some steroids like Deca can be adversely affected by an estrogen blocker used to reduce estrogen related symptoms, mostly due to the reduced androgen component. Typically there is a strong correlation between strength and size gains and the steroids conversion into estrogen. As a rule, the higher the Androgenic component, the more likely conversion into estrogen will take place.

The duality of size and strength compared to quality.

Most athletes want a steroid that will give them increase in size and strength as well as leaving them with quality muscle. By definition, steroids that yield huge increases in size and strength also means side effects and aromatising so considerable water retention plays a role in the weight gain. That water retention reduces the muscle “quality” because the athlete ands up looking smooth and not ripped. Being ripped is often the criteria most athletes use to define quality muscle and being ripped is a direct result of low subcutaneous body fat and low water retention in the skin. On both these count High Androgens work counter productively so the cutting steroids are used during the diet or ripping-up phase.

By using anti-estrogens and steroids like Proviron that stops the aromatising process, you can get a ripped quality look using high androgens, but at the same time you sacrifice size and strength do a large degree. The options are basically to bulk up and then cut down or to gradually add muscle from a position of low body fat. The route chosen is often determined by individual goals and expectations.

There are many factors that need to be balanced when it comes to choosing combinations of steroids but there is also much to be said for experimenting to see what works for you.

thanks but i've read that paper already, plus the book that it was published in i believe, i think anthony robert's book is alot better though, more in depth than that^^^^