HELP?? TEST CYP/DECA cycle

[brnxbomers]

hey guys im about to finish up my first cycle on TEST E ONLY @ 500 mg/ per week. (10 weeks)

I have made some execellent strength gains and gained some weight...anyway i wanna put on some real time mass on my next cycle (prolly my last one for a while). so im gonna go with Test CYP and DECA. Here what i was thinking:


Test Cyp (mg) Deca (mg)
wk 1 500 200
wk 2 500 300
wk 3 500 300
wk 4 500 400
wk 5 500 400
wk 6 500 500
wk 7 500 400
wk 8 500 300

Goal to attain 15-20lbs of sheer lean vascular muscle mass with minimum water bloat

Age 24
Ht: 5' 7"
wt 160 lbs mite go up to 165 lbs at the most in next 2 weeks (remainder of my test e cycle)

as u can see its a medium length cycle...any concerns with sides...test E i've had none.

does this look reasonable along with my goals?

PCT: clomid, tribulus

[Phate]

stats?
age
weight
heighttt
bf%
training experience

what's your pct for this cycle?

[brnxbomers]

stats?
age
weight
heighttt
bf%
training experience

what's your pct for this cycle?

age 24
weight 160
heighttt 5'7"
bf% = 10- 13 %
training experience = 8 years

Pct: Clomid and Tribulus

[Big]

pct is sub-par,
deca should be run for at least 10 weeks, and at a steady dose, not up and down
test needs to run for 2 weeks longer than the deca

[Phate]

yeah, tribulus isn't a pct drug and you need to research big time and quick because you have no idea what pct is, not flaming you just saying because if you take deca, which is really suppressive, and run that pct your gonna be screwed

read these pct threads
you should use phneedno's pct for this cycle

phneedno's pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

anthony roberts
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

get the stuff you need to pct NOW so you have it when you need it

[juicy_brucy]

pct is sub-par,
deca should be run for at least 10 weeks, and at a steady dose, not up and down
test needs to run for 2 weeks longer than the deca

BANG ON!
exactly! 2 weeks extra of test cyp is great for a long ester like decanoate that takes a few extra weeks to exit the system.

[brnxbomers]

pct is sub-par,
deca should be run for at least 10 weeks, and at a steady dose, not up and down
test needs to run for 2 weeks longer than the deca

so from research i conducted they say for DECA to show its optimum effects use 2mg per lbm....so im looking at 300 mgs to 350 @ 10% bf. so:

essentially this translates to:
weeks 1-10 @ 300mg deca
weeks 1-12 @ 500 mgs test cyp OR 250 mgs (which one??)

also through my research i also found that deca sides dont show their teeth until u go over 300 mgs. Anyway let me know if what i listed above sounds good then? thanks Big

[brnxbomers]

BANG ON!
exactly! 2 weeks extra of test cyp is great for a long ester like decanoate that takes a few extra weeks to exit the system.

do u think the dosages im running are safe or should i truncate?

[Big]

this would work:
weeks 1-10 @ 300mg deca
weeks 1-12 @ 500 mgs test cyp
Anthony Robert's pct would be nice to follow.

[brnxbomers]

Anthony Robert's pct would be nice to follow.[/QUOTE]

Whats that?

Well ALSO if im able to get up to 170 lbs by the end of this TEST E cycle...I would like to cut before i try this cycle so....i thought the following to cut up....

Use t3 (starting with one tab and increasing by one more every 5 days) and stanozol (@15-25 mg/week starting at 15 mg for week 1 and going up by 5 mg every week) for 6 weeks alongside...goal being loosing excess bf dropping from 13% to about 7% looking ripped while maintaining majority muscle mass??

will stanozol negatively effect my sex drive give me limp dick???

[Big]

Anthony Robert's pct:
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[Big]

It's extremely difficult to cut and bulk simultaneously, if you are using deca I assume you are trying to bulk, so to bulk and drop bf% from 13% to 7% is not likely.

[brnxbomers]

It's extremely difficult to cut and bulk simultaneously, if you are using deca I assume you are trying to bulk, so to bulk and drop bf% from 13% to 7% is not likely.

no this is going to be my next BULK cycle

but rite now im already on week 8 of my test E cycle...my goal is to get up to 170 lbs i got 2 more weeks to achieve it so im gonna throw in the remaining DBOL i have @ 30mg for the remainder of this cycle...but like i said if i get up to 170 lbs im gonna cut before attempting test cyp/deca. so NO im not trying to bulk and cut at the same time.

My goal is to do a cycle and look quality before i enter the next one That way i look visually pleasent and not like a bloated cow

[llrockyll]

ok so if im following all this right ur gunna do a cut cycle with t3 and winny next then run ur test deca cycle?

[brnxbomers]

ok so if im following all this right ur gunna do a cut cycle with t3 and winny next then run ur test deca cycle?

YES SIR

[llrockyll]

sounds good just make sure u get ur blood work done before u start ur next cycle to make sure everything is normal. and no winny shouldnt give u limp dick on 25mgs of winny. edited to clearify.

[brnxbomers]

sounds good just make sure u get ur blood work done before u start ur next cycle to make sure everything is normal. and no winny wont give u limp dick

wat about clen and cytomel....will this give me a the same results...i dont wanna loose any muscle mass infact maybe add some not too much though...cuz i know no way in hell i can take t3 by itself ill strip me of everthing to my bones....so is clen ok instead of stanozol?

the other option is trenbolone acetate (10 ml vial @ 100 mg/ml) but i dont know too much about this products dosing? i dont intend to run cut for more than 6 weeks in this situation how much would i be dosing of tren every week?

which combo do u reccomend?

[llrockyll]

people imo exaggerate the effect t3 has on muscle and clen ive never liked. so personally id just run something simple like test prop and t3 and keep ur protein high when u cut. if u do this i dont think u would lose any muscle at all and if u did it wouldnt be enough to notice.

[brnxbomers]

people imo exaggerate the effect t3 has on muscle and clen ive never liked. so personally id just run something simple like test prop and t3 and keep ur protein high when u cut. if u do this i dont think u would lose any muscle at all and if u did it wouldnt be enough to notice.

if i were to go the oral route is stanozol the only option with t3? after just having finished 10 weeks of test E shots i dont really wanna shoot anything for a while atleast unitl my cyp/deca cycle in a couple of months. whats the best option for me?

[llrockyll]

you should be waiting a couple months to start ur cutting cycle unless u get ur blood work done sooner and it comes back ok. anyway no winny isnt ur only option with t3 just stay away from the orals that will cause alot of bloat.

[mx3]

sounds good just make sure u get ur blood work done before u start ur next cycle to make sure everything is normal. and no winny wont give u limp dick

that may be your exp. but that is bad advice to give. winni like any other steroid suppresses you to an extent. to what extent depends on the person. My buddy is using oral winni right now with nothing else and he has mentioned multiple times of his libido being hit or miss. To the thread starter if you want to cut just use some clen and/or t3 and just get your diet and cardio on point, that way you You dont have to wait half a year to do your test/deca cycle. Or wait 3-4 months and do a real cutting cycle.

[llrockyll]

[/B]

that may be your exp. but that is bad advice to give. winni like any other steroid suppresses you to an extent. to what extent depends on the person. My buddy is using oral winni right now with nothing else and he has mentioned multiple times of his libido being hit or miss. To the thread starter if you want to cut just use some clen and/or t3 and just get your diet and cardio on point, that way you You dont have to wait half a year to do your test/deca cycle. Or wait 3-4 months and do a real cutting cycle.

please read the entire thread before commenting. at 25mg ed of winny for 6 weeks it should not effect his libido. also he would like to run a small amount of gear so he can keep the muscle he has got and personally i wouldnt run t3 without some sort of gear. plus give the guy some credit im sure he knows his diet and cardio has to be in check before anything else.

[brnxbomers]

please read the entire thread before commenting. at 25mg ed of winny for 6 weeks it should not effect his libido. also he would like to run a small amount of gear so he can keep the muscle he has got and personally i wouldnt run t3 without some sort of gear. plus give the guy some credit im sure he knows his diet and cardio has to be in check before anything else.

I tried clen for 21 days on increasing doses like recommended (i lost weight but i dont think any ab fat was lost) for a first timer...with that being said i want to lose the fat layer covering up my abs..i think only T3 can do that...is it possible to do that with clen when maintaining cals/muscle mass...i think u have to be on a fat loss (low cal) diet...but for me that means sacrificing hard earned weight....i want to look quality as i said before. so clen in my opinion is overhyped and actually a WEAK product u still have to do all the work as u would on fatloss diet so it jus gives a negliglible boost even if. I say clean up your gains with t3 and use a maintaining agent such as stanozol or something else with the possiblity of adding some more and maintaing what u already got jus loose the sponginess in your physique? what do u say rocky?

[llrockyll]

to lose weight u have to be in a calorie deficient state or on maintenance cals and do cardio to burn calories. also are u think ur going to be able to lose fat and still weigh 170lbs? just remember t3, clen, and gear are just supplements to aid u in losing fat. you should still do all the things you would on a cut diet alone.

[brnxbomers]

to lose weight u have to be in a calorie deficient state or on maintenance cals and do cardio to burn calories. also are u think ur going to be able to lose fat and still weigh 170lbs? just remember t3, clen, and gear are just supplements to aid u in losing fat. you should still do all the things you would on a cut diet alone.

well the goal is to reach 170 lbs (175 lbs would be ideal but i dont think ill reach that on this cycle) and end up @ 160 lbs cut/ ripped

so with that being said heres what i had in mind (7 weeks)

week stanozol cytomel
1 15 mg 25 mcg
2 15 mg 50
3 20 mg 75
4 20 mg 100
5 25 mg 75
6 25 mg 50
7 25 mcg (cytomel- this thing f*ek up my table)


well here's the basic idea well the program is prolly gonna end up bieng no more than 6 weeks cuz i going to change Cytomel dosages every 5 days instead of 7 with a gradual taper at towards the end like i showed upstairs.

so does this look good?

any sides...I was reading some Stanozol forums and it keeps saying that some guys experienced a loss in sex drive and shrinking of their wee's?

do i need to worry about this?

[inky-e]

Big has given you excellent advice (as usual),Its been my personal experience that a cycle of winnie alone gave me half assd erections and so forth,thats just me I can't speak for anyone else.BTW I'm on 750 mg cip and 500 mg deca per week and have seen good gains noticeably starting week 5.Good luck with your cycle.

[llrockyll]

well the goal is to reach 170 lbs (175 lbs would be ideal but i dont think ill reach that on this cycle) and end up @ 160 lbs cut/ ripped

so with that being said heres what i had in mind (7 weeks)

week stanozol cytomel
1 15 mg 25 mcg
2 15 mg 50
3 20 mg 75
4 20 mg 100
5 25 mg 75
6 25 mg 50
7 25 mcg (cytomel- this thing f*ek up my table)


well here's the basic idea well the program is prolly gonna end up bieng no more than 6 weeks cuz i going to change Cytomel dosages every 5 days instead of 7 with a gradual taper at towards the end like i showed upstairs.

so does this look good?

any sides...I was reading some Stanozol forums and it keeps saying that some guys experienced a loss in sex drive and shrinking of their wee's?

do i need to worry about this?

looks good bro. again i would not worry about ur libido on 25mgs of winny. im sure the people talking about losing their libido were doing atleast 50mgs ed.
post up ur diet in the diet section so the good bro's at AR can help you out.

[brnxbomers]

looks good bro. again i would not worry about ur libido on 25mgs of winny. im sure the people talking about losing their libido were doing atleast 50mgs ed.
post up ur diet in the diet section so the good bro's at AR can help you out.

Here's the artical i found on stanozol:
For men the usual dosage of Stanozolol is 15-25mg per day for the tablets and 25-50mg per day with the injectable (differences based solely on price and quantity).

so as u can see i start out low but end up on the high end of the dosage range towards the end as far as the oral version is concerned so yes im definately concerned with my dick being dead...are u absolutely sure this is a sound/ side effect free route???

[llrockyll]

Here's the artical i found on stanozol:
For men the usual dosage of Stanozolol is 15-25mg per day for the tablets and 25-50mg per day with the injectable (differences based solely on price and quantity).

so as u can see i start out low but end up on the high end of the dosage range towards the end as far as the oral version is concerned so yes im definately concerned with my dick being dead...are u absolutely sure this is a sound/ side effect free route???

well first of all, all that quote from the article means is that the tabs are more expensive then the injectables so people take less prolly so it lasts longer. 25mg is a low dose ive never known of any1 taking less but if some1 else wants to chime in about that. since i said from the beginning it SHOULD NOT give u limp dick. if ur that worried about it bro dont use it, its that simple.what id like to see u do is run some test prop like i said before.

[brnxbomers]

well first of all, all that quote from the article means is that the tabs are more expensive then the injectables so people take less prolly so it lasts longer. 25mg is a low dose ive never known of any1 taking less but if some1 else wants to chime in about that. since i said from the beginning it SHOULD NOT give u limp dick. if ur that worried about it bro dont use it, its that simple.what id like to see u do is run some test prop like i said before.

test prop is a deal breaker...i dont want to inject everyday or even frequently....but this my first time using stanozol. will the cycle i posted produce results or should i up the dose? is 15-25 sufficient enuff for a newbie? lastly will winny also give me a little bit mass (pssobly add more muscle) or jus mainly rip up already existing muscle? or do both?

[llrockyll]

when ur dieting, running a cycle is to help to keep the muscle u already have while ur in a calorie deficient state. as for getting ripped that has to do with how well ur diet is. as the fat drops winny will help u look more vascular than u would without it. next if u up ur dose of winny then ur gunna have to add test anyway to help with ur libido. you are thinking WAY to much about this and not enough about ur diet

[brnxbomers]

when ur dieting, running a cycle is to help to keep the muscle u already have while ur in a calorie deficient state. as for getting ripped that has to do with how well ur diet is. as the fat drops winny will help u look more vascular than u would without it. next if u up ur dose of winny then ur gunna have to add test anyway to help with ur libido. you are thinking WAY to much about this and not enough about ur diet

so the cycle i posted up is GOOD TO GO?? no issues and sides to worry about??

[Phate]

repost it, i get lost in this thread, lol

[llrockyll]

so the cycle i posted up is GOOD TO GO?? no issues and sides to worry about??

good to go just read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199794 and take some liver supplements and fish oil for joints.

[roid_rage]

well... isnt just more simple to stay on the whole year????

let me see if I got this straight... you are just about to finish a 10 week test cycle, after your pct, you wanna lower your body fat from 13% to 7%, and after that you wanna do a cyp test and deca cycle... all without losing muscle.. if I've got it right.... well my friend what you are doing it's call bridging with stano, and no, it's not allright...

Another thing, you wanna put 10 lbs in two more weeks throwing in dbol... what for??? that's only going to add more water, it's goign to be extremely hard to put up 10 more lbs in 2 weeks, to not say imposible (of course talking about muscle, not water)...

Here's the best thing you can do, forget about t3, and stano, finish up your current 10 weeker test cycle, keep eating the same, use clen, and your next cycle, get ready of the deca, and insted use primobolan or Eq., use prop insted of cyp, not going to say use tren cause it's only your second cycle... use roids that do not tend to retain too much water, and will be a hell of a lot better for your body, than stay on for at least 26 weeks, 'cuse that's pretty much what you're goign to be on if you try to do what you are plannig to...

By the way, 25 mg. of stano may or may not **** up your drive sex, pretty much it depends on the person, buy I will never do stano with out an androgenic roid along...

[llrockyll]

well... isnt just more simple to stay on the whole year????

let me see if I got this straight... you are just about to finish a 10 week test cycle, after your pct, you wanna lower your body fat from 13% to 7%, and after that you wanna do a cyp test and deca cycle... all without losing muscle.. if I've got it right.... well my friend what you are doing it's call bridging with stano, and no, it's not allright...

hes taking time off after this cycle then cutting

Another thing, you wanna put 10 lbs in two more weeks throwing in dbol... what for??? that's only going to add more water, it's goign to be extremely hard to put up 10 more lbs in 2 weeks, to not say imposible (of course talking about muscle, not water)...

didnt see anything about d-bol

Here's the best thing you can do, forget about t3, and stano, finish up your current 10 weeker test cycle, keep eating the same, use clen, and your next cycle, get ready of the deca, and insted use primobolan or Eq., use prop insted of cyp, not going to say use tren cause it's only your second cycle... use roids that do not tend to retain too much water, and will be a hell of a lot better for your body, than stay on for at least 26 weeks, 'cuse that's pretty much what you're goign to be on if you try to do what you are plannig to...

agreed test EQ cycle would probably be better for his bulk cycle. since he wants to stay lean.

By the way, 25 mg. of stano may or may not **** up your drive sex, pretty much it depends on the person, buy I will never do stano with out an androgenic roid along...

agreed

[llrockyll]

and people wonder why oral only cycles are a bad idea lol.
anavar is ur safest bet for an oral only cycle

[roid_rage]

no this is going to be my next BULK cycle

but rite now im already on week 8 of my test E cycle...my goal is to get up to 170 lbs i got 2 more weeks to achieve it so im gonna throw in the remaining DBOL i have @ 30mg for the remainder of this cycle...but like i said if i get up to 170 lbs im gonna cut before attempting test cyp/deca. so NO im not trying to bulk and cut at the same time.

My goal is to do a cycle and look quality before i enter the next one That way i look visually pleasent and not like a bloated cow

Sorry if I mist the time off... but where does he say that he's going to it??

[roid_rage]

and people wonder why oral only cycles are a bad idea lol.
anavar is ur safest bet for an oral only cycle

agree...

[llrockyll]

Sorry if I mist the time off... but where does he say that he's going to it??

ah yes missed that sorry but i see no problem throwing in some d-bol to give his current cycle a little kick.