Cutting Cycle. What Test to use?

**turcios3** · 04-27-2008, 02:59 AM

I'm going on a cutting cycle in about 2 months, but I need help now because i need advise on what to order for a testosterone. I currently have Masteron and Primobolan. What kind of Testosterone should I use with these components. Last bulking cycle I used Sust with great results but my joints ached badly. Is it true that Enthanate eases joints during a cycle? I know that generally Test aggreivates joints, but I read somewhere that it is less so with Enthanate. Is this true?

I'm considering adding Deca just bcus of the joint issues, but I wonder if doing so would diminish my ability to get cut. I'm hoping to get cut and reduce the puffiness I had from my last cycle.

My stats are as follows. 5'8", 189, bench 275, Leg press 855, shoulder press 175, curl 85, tricep pull down 170, lat pull down 180, rows 180.
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**ChuckLee** · 04-27-2008, 05:09 AM

What is your bodyfat?
No specigic test form is required when cutting. It depends firstly on your diet.
Yopu could opt btw for test prop, just to avoid the possible bloat from the long estered cousins.

CL

**shifty_git** · 04-27-2008, 05:36 AM

Like chuck said, it will come down to diet and training more than anything.

But one advantage of the little bit of estro caused by longer esters is that a little bit of estro can help ya joints if you have issues with them.

Check this one (check out the blah for estrogen)
PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
Check out this thread on esters...Will answer what you said on ENAN and why it can influence joints
Anthony Roberts New Article on Esters...

Other option is low dose deca at 200mg per week.

**turcios3** · 04-27-2008, 06:49 AM

my body fat is about 18%. So a cutting cycle and a leaner diet makes sense. my cholesterol is normal though. I had blood work done.

**New2Anabolic** · 04-27-2008, 08:23 AM

lose weight, then get back to us.

**jackdup04** · 04-27-2008, 08:43 AM

prop,no question about it...

**Montgomery** · 04-27-2008, 08:52 AM

I would recommend prop - remember that the only difference between the tests is the ester added. Some guys say that certain tests make their joints ache more or their mood swing more or whatever, but there is absolutely no scientific backing to this. There is no biochemical explanation for why this would be so. The esters added to the test do not bind any receptors in our body, and only serve to slow down the test molecule (to differing degrees) as it moves from the IM depot to the bloodstream and then the rest of the body, and/or prevent the body's natural enzyme-hormone clearance system from taking the test out.

However this is not to say that the emperical stuff you hear on the board means nothing. I've never used any ester other than prop so I can't say anything personally, but from a medical standpoint there is no difference.

**shifty_git** · 04-27-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by jackdup04

prop,no question about it...

Although my pure personal choice would also be prop, some low dose npp (for joints), and a dht.... (after cutting bf% as suggested, by using diet and cardio)

Read my above post and read the threads on why a little estro can help joints if they are a real issue for you, and why Enan would be the best choice to obtain that through the test route. But if your aim of this cycle is to cut, go with the prop and low dose deca / npp option to help joints.

Plus take some supplements for joint support, cod liver oil and such alike. (check your supps supplier)

**turcios3** · 04-27-2008, 11:42 PM

Thanks. I do have Cod Liver Oil, but I don't really use it much. I use the Fish Oil and Milk Thistle with consistency. I'll try the CLO more consistently. Well, I'm sold on Prop and a low dosage of Deca for my joints. I'll try to watch my diet. It's difficult bcus I'm living abroad in Asia, so it's a lot of rice and fried pork. I'll cut down by eating more fish.