Is Test a must for every cycle?

[steropower]

I am so bored of little gains of Test and long time to kick in.

I plan a cycle with Drol an Tren acetate.Should i add Test or something else?

[shifty_git]

Yes test is essential.

Think of what testosterone has done for you as ya a male (i assume you are a male)

Testosterone will support sexual function. and other physiological aspects.

While utilizing 19nors keep test at an HRT dose,
as will keep those physiological functions,
yet as is lower, there will be less estrogen through aromatization ,so as estrogen acts as a magnifier to prog/prolactin related sides from the tren, the lower dose will keep that to a minimum.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

I am so bored of little gains of Test and long time to kick in.

I plan a cycle with Drol an Tren acetate.Should i add Test or something else?

little gains off test? AAS is not magic and you dont just get bigger by taking "steroids" your diet is most important and if its not perfect you will not grow.

before i answer you question can you plz post stats?

Yes test is essential.

Think of what testosterone has done for you as ya a male (i assume you are a male)

Testosterone will support sexual function. and other physiological aspects.

While utilizing 19nors keep test at an HRT dose,
as will keep those physiological functions,
yet as is lower, there will be less estrogen through aromatization ,so as estrogen acts as a magnifier to prog/prolactin related sides from the tren, the lower dose will keep that to a minimum.

^ agreed.

[MasterShake]

You need a maintenance level of test in your system, as these other compounds WILL shut you down. That is why Everyone around here preaches TEST with every cycle. You won't die without it, but as Shifty said, you are male, and unless you want to be a hormonal chick while on cycle, you should use test. at least 250mg/week IMO.

[inky-e]

What exactly are your goals as far as cycling goes?

[steropower]

5 8'
170
17%

I've been of the game for 3 years so please don't judge me only by stats of this period.

I had much better results with 45mg Dbol/d than with 1g of Test/w in past.Also less water retention and no liver pain(it may sound weird but that's me.Test always hurt my liv).

My diet is OK.I just compare roids here.

[MasterShake]

Test hurt your liv????????? You need more learnin...

[steropower]

You need a maintenance level of test in your system, as these other compounds WILL shut you down. That is why Everyone around here preaches TEST with every cycle. You won't die without it, but as Shifty said, you are male, and unless you want to be a hormonal chick while on cycle, you should use test. at least 250mg/week IMO.

How can Test keep you up since by its own can shut you down?

I need to read something about this.Any source?

[steropower]

Test hurt your liv????????? You need more learnin...

Yes it does!What learning has to do with my personal experience?

[MasterShake]

um, test is not liver toxic.... go learn

[steropower]

It's not my theory.Just my experience.Always.Not only 1 time.It hurts me with only 250mg.

We are not all the same.

[cam89]

Steropower = Troll

[steropower]

LoL!

[MasterShake]

How can Test keep you up since by its own can shut you down?

I don't believe anything you say any more.

[Phate]

5 8'
170
17%

I've been of the game for 3 years so please don't judge me only by stats of this period.

I had much better results with 45mg Dbol/d than with 1g of Test/w in past.Also less water retention and no liver pain(it may sound weird but that's me.Test always hurt my liv).

My diet is OK.I just compare roids here.

i don't know why you would think you get less water retention with dbol than with test, though you could switch to test prop which would kick in alot quicker than test enth and cause hardly any water retention

also, orals are heptoxic(liver toxic) because they are modified to bypass the liver the first time through and are broken down by it on the second pass which is damaging to the liver.

dbol has been know to cause high water retention making the person look like a balloon when they are on it for a longer period of time than 4 weeks

here are the links to some test profiles and such for you to read up on since you wanted some info on test

test prop
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199851

test enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

thread concerning HPTA and PCT by AR
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=HPTA

hope that helps

[shifty_git]

How can Test keep you up since by its own can shut you down?

I need to read something about this.Any source?

ummmmm its testosterone?

5 8'
170
17%

I've been of the game for 3 years so please don't judge me only by stats of this period.

I had much better results with 45mg Dbol/d than with 1g of Test/w in past.Also less water retention and no liver pain(it may sound weird but that's me.Test always hurt my liv).

My diet is OK.I just compare roids here.

If there your stats we are going to judge you. Because at 17% BF your a fatty for using steroids for 3 years.

Yes it does!What learning has to do with my personal experience?

Injectable testosterone shouldn't have any major effect on your liver. Maybe you confusing the pain with your kidneys as your not drinking enough water.

[steropower]

I am not 3 years on roids but 9.

I meant i am 3 years without them.

I don't know if it's liv or kidney but when i take liv52 the pain is gone.It comes around front right side lowest rib.Does liv52 help the kidney too?

Also the pain always hit the door in less than a week with Test.

[Phate]

I am not 3 years on roids but 9.

I meant i am 3 years without them.

I don't know if it's liv or kidney but when i take liv52 the pain is gone.It comes around front right side lowest rib.Does liv52 help the kidney too?

Also the pain always hit the door in less than a week with Test.

with those stats and you've been in this for 9 year?? how old are you?

[shifty_git]

I am not 3 years on roids but 9.

I meant i am 3 years without them.

I don't know if it's liv or kidney but when i take liv52 the pain is gone.It comes around front right side lowest rib.Does liv52 help the kidney too?

For being on AAS 9 years you show your self up even further (sorry to say)

If your asking questions like this after 9 years of use then you have used them irresponsibly and without research.

[Phate]

For being on AAS 9 years show your self up even further (sorry to say)

If your asking questions like this after 9 years of use then you have used them irresponsibly and without research.

agreed 100%^^^

not to flame you dude, but i've been working out for 4 years, no cycles since i'm 18, and have gone from 240lbs at 5'0 which i believe is like 40% bf to 185 at 5'8 and i'm 8-9%bf right now, so i think it's safe to say you need to learn to diet and train correctly cause something's not adding up here if you've trained and cycled twice as long as i've been just training with no cycles and my gains outweight yours by a mile, no offense meant

[jAcKeD!!!!]

240lbs at 5'10 then to 185 at 5'8 ?

[james21]

^^ heheh

[shifty_git]

240lbs at 5'10 then to 185 at 5'8 ?

Where you find those other stats jacked?

im thinking we are dealing with mr bullcrap.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

agreed 100%^^^

not to flame you dude, but i've been working out for 4 years, no cycles since i'm 18, and have gone from 240lbs at 5'0 which i believe is like 40% bf to 185 at 5'8 and i'm 8-9%bf right now,

i meant 240 at 5'0 then to 185 at 5'8 ? im confused..

[Phate]

Where you find those other stats jacked?

im thinking we are dealing with mr bullcrap.

huh? my post saids 240 at 5'0, as in five feet even, and i know it sounds like bullcrap, i can't remember my exact bf% but i know that i had a doctor's appointment for a checkup and he said i was close to developing type 2 diabetes and he was afraid of my heart enlarging at that time

[200byjune]

it doesnt mean you gained muscle it just means you were really fat and llost it all. for all we no you lost muscle from all the cardio

[Phate]

it doesnt mean you gained muscle it just means you were really fat and llost it all. for all we no you lost muscle from all the cardio

that's a good point, and without pics and such i can't really prove much except by way of algebra, anyway, i didn't mean to highjack the guys thread, my bad steropower

[steropower]

I don't feel i need to make the "know it all" because i have done some years on roids as many kids in here.

What's wrong with asking questions?

Maybe i have done some mistakes.Haven't you?

Also keep in mind that i was never training for mass.Only strength.Different sport.So you better ask before you judge.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

I am so bored of little gains of Test and long time to kick in.

I plan a cycle with Drol an Tren acetate.Should i add Test or something else?

yes you should add test to your cycle to answer your question.
do you have anymore questions? about pct?

[steropower]

Yes i have a question about PCT.I have done Nolva/Proviron/HCG/Vit E with great success.

Should i change or add something since i add the Tren?

[ChuckLee]

Run a ful Anthony Roberts PCT, you can find it as a stickie in the PCT forum.
It's needed since you add a 19nor to your stack.

CL

[jAcKeD!!!!]

Run a ful Anthony Roberts PCT, you can find it as a stickie in the PCT forum.
It's needed since you add a 19nor to your stack.

CL

^^ x 2 thats your answer for pct

[steropower]

I always wanted to try this PCT but couldn't find Aromasin.I hope i will.

Thanks,

Peace!

[ggoyal]

it's the base of every cycle