does testosterone give you thicker bones

[gangers]

does testosterone give you thicker bones?????

hi i have thin bones for my size my shoulders arent that broad and i have thin wrists.

i have been taking testosterone enanthate for 6 weeks and ime wondering if it will help give me thicker bones????

i want thicker bones.

[millionairemurph]

i think resistance training gives you thicker bones. I have heard some aas promote more bone density. But if youy are asking if test will change your bone structure, i think you will be disapointed as i dont know that it will do that for you.

[xLIVEHARDx]

u need to get gh to get bone density changes

[Andro9]

what a strange question

[gangers]

what a strange question

yeah well if i had thicker bones it would be easier for me to pack on muscle.

[Andro9]

yeah well if i had thicker bones it would be easier for me to pack on muscle.

really? why would that be?

[DKU]

My wrists are about 2 inches thicker around than when I started with test... so who knows...

[Andro9]

My wrists are about 2 inches thicker around than when I started with test... so who knows...

fat/water retention

[gangers]

really? why would that be?

its simple muscle grows around the bone if thiers more bone for the muscle to grow on thier will be more muscle especially around the shoulders and the chest.

[Andro9]

its simple muscle grows around the bone if thiers more bone for the muscle to grow on thier will be more muscle especially around the shoulders and the chest.

lol. where did you get this information from. im honestly curious

[gangers]

lol. where did you get this information from. im honestly curious

I thought it up on my own but i know its true because its so obvious

[lex57]

I thought it up on my own but i know its true because its so obvious

[duggadoo]

I would tend to think if you have small bone structure you would look better developed because of smaller joint structure would give you better flow to each muscle group having shorter muscle therefore looking denser... but I could be wrong

[J431S]

u need to get gh to get bone density changes

u sure this could not lead to deformity

[james21]

what ? this whole thread is full of misinformation

[duggadoo]

Is my info wrong James just wondering so i can change it or could you provide some info that is right?

[james21]

Is my info wrong James just wondering so i can change it or could you provide some info that is right?

I dono I have small bones it seems, small wrists etc so my forearms look MASSIVE so probably.


Acquired hypogonadism is being increasingly recognized in adult men. However, the effects of long term testosterone replacement on bone density and body composition are largely unknown. We investigated 36 adult men with acquired hypogonadism (age, 22-69 yr; median, 58 yr), including 29 men with central hypogonadism and 7 men with primary hypogonadism, and 44 age-matched eugonadal controls. Baseline evaluation included body composition analysis by bioimpedance, determination of site-specific adipose area by dual energy quantitative computed tomography scan (QCT) of the lumbar spine, and measurements of spinal bone mineral density (BMD) using dual energy x-ray absortiometry, spinal trabecular BMD with QCT, and radial BMD with single photon absorptiometry. Percent body fat was significantly greater in the hypogonadal men compared to eugonadal men (mean +/- SEM, 26.4 +/- 1.1% vs. 19.2 +/- 0.8%; P < 0.01). The mean trabecular BMD determined by QCT for the hypogonadal men was 115 +/- 6 mg K2HPO4/cc. Spinal BMD was significantly lower than that in eugonadal controls (1.006 +/- 0.024 vs. 1.109 +/- 0.028 g/cm2; P = 0.02, respectively). Radial BMD was similar in both groups. Testosterone enanthate therapy was initiated in 29 hypogonadal men at a dose of 100 mg/week, and the subjects were evaluated at 6-month intervals for 18 months. During testosterone therapy, the percent body fat decreased 14 +/- 4% (P < 0.001). There was a 13 +/- 4% decrease in subcutaneous fat (P < 0.01) and a 7 +/- 2% increase in lean muscle mass (P = 0.01) during testosterone therapy. Spinal BMD and trabecular BMD increased by 5 +/- 1% (P < 0.001) and 14 +/- 3% (P < 0.001), respectively. Radial BMD did not change. Serum bone-specific alkaline phosphatase and urinary deoxypyridinoline excretion, markers of bone formation and resorption, respectively, decreased significantly over the 18 months (P = 0.003 and P = 0.04, respectively). We conclude that testosterone therapy given to adult men with acquired hypogonadism decreases sc fat and increases lean muscle mass. In addition, testosterone therapy reduces bone remodeling and increases trabecular bone density. The beneficial effects of androgen administration on body composition and bone density may provide additional indications for testosterone therapy in hypogonadal men.


So yes it is medically used to increase bone density.

[duggadoo]

cool stuff and I also have smaller bone and joint structure so it kind of gives me the large appearance than what the scale says

[Deen54]

Growth hormone will give you more bone density. If you took Gh before
the onset of puberty you may even grow taller..as they use it to treat dwarfism.
But once you have epiphsiseal closure then linear bone growth can't take place
but the bones can become more dense.
GH grows you all over meaning your heart and jaw may grow also. I would not recommend you using it unless supervised by a doctor. It is expensive stuff.

[millionairemurph]

density, wont make your bones grow. You wont get a wider frame, just more muscle on it.

[ecto9]

My wrists are about 2 inches thicker around than when I started with test... so who knows...

I hope you're right on that cause then maybe I'll be playing better guitar with stronger wrists soon, lol...

[JAY_WD]

does testosterone give you thicker bones?????

hi i have thin bones for my size my shoulders arent that broad and i have thin wrists.

i have been taking testosterone enanthate for 6 weeks and ime wondering if it will help give me thicker bones????

i want thicker bones.

Only between your legs!!! lol

[DKU]

In general, androgens promote protein synthesis and growth of those tissues with androgen receptors. Testosterone effects can be classified as virilizing and anabolic effects, although the distinction is somewhat artificial, as many of the effects can be considered both.

Anabolic effects include growth of muscle mass and strength, increased bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth and bone maturation.

[lex57]

I dono I have small bones it seems, small wrists etc so my forearms look MASSIVE so probably.


Acquired hypogonadism is being increasingly recognized in adult men. However, the effects of long term testosterone replacement on bone density and body composition are largely unknown. We investigated 36 adult men with acquired hypogonadism (age, 22-69 yr; median, 58 yr), including 29 men with central hypogonadism and 7 men with primary hypogonadism, and 44 age-matched eugonadal controls. Baseline evaluation included body composition analysis by bioimpedance, determination of site-specific adipose area by dual energy quantitative computed tomography scan (QCT) of the lumbar spine, and measurements of spinal bone mineral density (BMD) using dual energy x-ray absortiometry, spinal trabecular BMD with QCT, and radial BMD with single photon absorptiometry. Percent body fat was significantly greater in the hypogonadal men compared to eugonadal men (mean +/- SEM, 26.4 +/- 1.1% vs. 19.2 +/- 0.8%; P < 0.01). The mean trabecular BMD determined by QCT for the hypogonadal men was 115 +/- 6 mg K2HPO4/cc. Spinal BMD was significantly lower than that in eugonadal controls (1.006 +/- 0.024 vs. 1.109 +/- 0.028 g/cm2; P = 0.02, respectively). Radial BMD was similar in both groups. Testosterone enanthate therapy was initiated in 29 hypogonadal men at a dose of 100 mg/week, and the subjects were evaluated at 6-month intervals for 18 months. During testosterone therapy, the percent body fat decreased 14 +/- 4% (P < 0.001). There was a 13 +/- 4% decrease in subcutaneous fat (P < 0.01) and a 7 +/- 2% increase in lean muscle mass (P = 0.01) during testosterone therapy. Spinal BMD and trabecular BMD increased by 5 +/- 1% (P < 0.001) and 14 +/- 3% (P < 0.001), respectively. Radial BMD did not change. Serum bone-specific alkaline phosphatase and urinary deoxypyridinoline excretion, markers of bone formation and resorption, respectively, decreased significantly over the 18 months (P = 0.003 and P = 0.04, respectively). We conclude that testosterone therapy given to adult men with acquired hypogonadism decreases sc fat and increases lean muscle mass. In addition, testosterone therapy reduces bone remodeling and increases trabecular bone density. The beneficial effects of androgen administration on body composition and bone density may provide additional indications for testosterone therapy in hypogonadal men.


So yes it is medically used to increase bone density.

i guess my question would be this, do you think the fact that these subjects are hypogonadal and there bone density is deficient already is the reason why the testosterone increased the density? in other words do you think you would get the same results in a normal healthy subject? like if the poster has maximum bone density, taking test may not help right? i guess i am kind of playing devils advocate to some extent, i just dont think that the bone density that the poster is looking for will be acheived. so basically these subjects with a compromising condition acheived a mean of about 10% improvement in bmd. my point is what if you are not deficient? what do you think?

[Kratos]

You're frame size will not change once your growth plates are closed. Bone density can change but won't make you look any different. You can work your delts and traps to make your shoulders look bigger, but the bones will not change.

[lex57]

exactly,nice clarification there, and the poster asked about will the bone get thicker? no, however the exisitng bone may become more dense, but no size increase. i definitely agree with Kratos.

[gangers]

ok thanks guys but ime not interested in looking more muscular because i have small bones.

i want thicker bones to give me more strength and bulk.

my wrists would be a good indicater of thicker bones and my wrists are only 6 and a half inches which is small for a 256 pound muscular man.

[TJM7275]

I don't think you can beat mother nature dude, but if you want my uncle is a surgeon so I could call him tonight and ask him for ya. I broke a ton of bones, some requiring surgery and my wrists aren't really small, but pretty weak. Thats why I lift. If you want me to ask him PM me and I will no problems, but I think the guys are right. Good Luck man

[gangers]

I don't think you can beat mother nature dude, but if you want my uncle is a surgeon so I could call him tonight and ask him for ya. I broke a ton of bones, some requiring surgery and my wrists aren't really small, but pretty weak. Thats why I lift. If you want me to ask him PM me and I will no problems, but I think the guys are right. Good Luck man

i dont think its letting me pm you.

but could you ask him if thiers anything i can buy online that will give me thicker bones please.

thanks eric ime gonna give you more reputation and some cheesy poofs

[lex57]

well, good luck looking for something that will make your bones grow, because there is nothing that i am aware of that will do this. as Kratos said once your growth plates are fused thats pretty much it. you could increase your intake of calcium and vitamin d and maybe take some osteoporosis meds. but i dont think you will find any magic beans for bone growth or thickness.

[gangers]

well, good luck looking for something that will make your bones grow, because there is nothing that i am aware of that will do this. as Kratos said once your growth plates are fused thats pretty much it. you could increase your intake of calcium and vitamin d and maybe take some osteoporosis meds. but i dont think you will find any magic beans for bone growth or thickness.

ok thanks i kind of thought that it is impossible but ime gonna try.

[lex57]

and by the way i am 6 feet tall and weigh about 223 right now, and my wrist is 7 inches so i dont think you are that far off.

[TJM7275]

I will ask him tonight and post tomorrow for ya. I just spoke with my Aunt who is the head Trauma R.N. at Tampa General and she said no. I will ask him anyway though

[anabolicpower]

thats genetics.. as Kratos said you can do nothing about it. I have thin bones too but i do not pay so much attention to this now as i did. Also some say people with thin bones look better overally when they have enough muscle mass, compared to others with thick bones (dont blame me for this one, some people do say it). But you are right on that one - people with thicker bones are able to lift havier, but i do not care about that as long as i look good, you shouldnt care about it too unless you are a powerlifter.

[Deen54]

Effects of testosterone replacement on muscle mass and muscle protein synthesis in hypogonadal men--a clinical research center study
IG Brodsky, P Balagopal and KS Nair
Department of Medicine, University of Vermont College of Medicine, Burlington, USA. [email protected]

Testosterone replacement in hypogonadism has long been known to promote nitrogen retention and increase body density, but the mechanisms of nitrogen retention and body composition changes are poorly defined. We measured body composition and muscle protein synthesis in five hypogonadal men before and 6 months after initiating testosterone replacement. Body composition was examined using dual energy X-ray absorptiometry. Muscle mass was estimated both by excretion of creatinine on a meat-free diet and from appendicular mass measured using dual energy X-ray absorptiometry. Muscle protein synthesis was assessed by measuring the increment of [13C]leucine in mixed muscle protein and myosin heavy chain during a continuous infusion of L-[l- 13C]leucine. In all subjects there was an increase in fat-free mass (average, 15%; range, 10-22%; P = 0.02) and a decrease in fat mass (- 11%; range, -0.4% to -22.0%; P = 0.03). Muscle mass also increased in everybody (mean, 20%; range, 11-32%; P = 0.04) such that 65% of the increase in fat-free mass could be attributed to accretion of muscle. The accumulation of muscle was associated with a 56% (P = 0.015) increase in the fractional synthesis rate of mixed skeletal muscle proteins and a trend toward a similar increase in the fractional synthesis rate of myosin heavy chain (46%; P = 0.098). We conclude that testosterone replacement in hypogonadal men enhanced skeletal muscle mass by stimulating the muscle protein synthesis rate.

[Deen54]

Do you hear that?

We conclude that testosterone replacement in hypogonadal men enhanced skeletal muscle mass by stimulating the muscle protein synthesis rate.

This i knew long ago.

[Kratos]

skeletal muscle= muscle other than cadiac (your heart) and smooth muscle (things like your intestines) responsible for non voulentary movements. It's just the muscle we are trying to build, don't see the relevence to this tread though unless you feel like going back and highllighting the part that apply's to the actual skeleton. I only skimmed it.

[Deen54]

Androgens have multiple actions on the skeleton throughout life. Androgens promote skeletal growth and accumulation of minerals during puberty and adolescence and stimulate osteoblast but suppress osteoclast function, activity and lifespan through complex mechanisms. Also androgens increase periosteal bone apposition, resulting in larger bone size and thicker cortical bone in men. There is convincing evidence to show that aromatization to estrogens was an important pathway for mediating the action of testosterone on bone physiology. Estrogen is probably the dominant sex steroid regulating bone resorption in men, but both testosterone and estrogen are important in maintaining bone formation.

[lex57]

Do you hear that?

We conclude that testosterone replacement in hypogonadal men enhanced skeletal muscle mass by stimulating the muscle protein synthesis rate.

This i knew long ago.

wow you knew steroids increased muscle mass. but nobody is talking about muscle or hypogonadal men.

[Deen54]

The question is does testosterone give you thicker bones?

I have provided the proof that it does.

"but both testosterone and estrogen are important in maintaining bone formation."

"Also androgens increase periosteal bone apposition, resulting in larger bone size and thicker cortical bone in men."


Read my last post above...before you get your knickers in a knot.