Conservative first cycle

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 03:45 PM

OK I changed the title since I got almost NO response.

What do you think about this as a conservative first cycle? Any suggestions is appreciated for the PCTbut I dont think I will need one since I will be doing HRT. Anything else.

Stats,
45
5' 8"
180
BF 12% - 15%
Been lifting for years (20), off and on but all natural.
Diet was OK but after research it is/will be VERY good before/during cycle
Arm 16"
Chest 41 natural, 44 flex
Waist 32-33
workout 5x week
Cardio 3-4x week 20+ minute before workout

Looking for lean muscle gain and a little fat burn.

Post Cycle Therapy 1

Week 10-16: Mild Thistle
week 13-14: novladex @ 40mg\day
week 15-16: novladex @ 20mg\day

**roid_rage** · 04-30-2008, 03:48 PM

why do you drop the test after week 5?

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 03:55 PM

mostly due to having volume. Do you think better to run 200 then 400 or just keep 400 throughout? Looking for options.

**MasterShake** · 04-30-2008, 04:08 PM

I'd never advise HGH in a first cycle... I think the threads here on beginners cycles are pretty spot on.

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 04:10 PM

Ive been using HGH for 2 months now per Doctors Prescription and he should be giving Test E soon but I will have to supplement since he will probably only give 100mg week.

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 05:17 PM

OR... do you think there is no need for PCT?

**MasterShake** · 04-30-2008, 05:43 PM

Are you on HRT for low test? What condition is the HGH treating?

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 06:30 PM

Yes, I am now on AndroGel for low test but expect to be bumped up to injections in the next couple weeks.

HGH for low/normal HGH levels.

**lovbyts** · 04-30-2008, 10:29 PM

OK guys, please feel free to jump in any time.

Dont worry, I wont bump every 20 minutes, its been 2 hrs. I wont bump again until tomorrow. I would really like some input.

Thanks

**lovbyts** · 05-02-2008, 07:08 AM

OK I let this go for almost 2 day, If I don't get some feedback I will start another one with some stupid/crazy cycle with WAY to much stuff (ASS) to see if I can get some response. I really don't like to over post or jump on someone else's thread so a little advice/help would be appreciated...

**big_dubya33** · 05-02-2008, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

OK I changed the title since I got almost NO response.

What do you think about this as a conservative first cycle? Any suggestions is appreciated for the PCTbut I dont think I will need one since I will be doing HRT. Anything else.

Stats,
45
5' 8"
180
BF 12% - 15%
Been lifting for years (20), off and on but all natural.
Diet was OK but after research it is/will be VERY good before/during cycle
Arm 16"
Chest 41 natural, 44 flex
Waist 32-33
workout 5x week
Cardio 3-4x week 20+ minute before workout

Looking for lean muscle gain and a little fat burn.

week 1-16: HGH 2iu
Week 1-16: CJC-1295 400 mcg 1x week
week 1-16: T4 100mcg ED
week 1-5: Test-E. 400mg\week ; dbol 35mg\day
week 5-10: Test-E. 200mg\week

Post Cycle Therapy 1

Week 10-16: Mild Thistle
week 13-14: novladex @ 40mg\day
week 15-16: novladex @ 20mg\day

Test E 500 mg/week weeks 1-12
Dbol 40-50 mg weeks 1-5

HGH is +/- not going to make too much difference IMO for a first cycle

Don't know what CJC is???
Also not sure why the t4 in what is essentially a bulking cycle of dbol+test

PCT - will need nolva plus something else (not clomid) - arimidex or exemestane (preferred). run the nolva for 6 weeks and the exemestane for the first 4. I'd have arimedex on hand as well in case gyno symptoms show up during cycle.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

W

**lovbyts** · 05-02-2008, 11:42 PM

Thank you for the informative reply. Any more suggestions?

**whiskey15** · 05-03-2008, 12:15 AM

You have to inform us of your goals, are you trying to cut or bulk? Either way for a first cycle I would drop everything except the test e and run that at 500mgs ew. You will see great results with a 12 week cycle.

**lovbyts** · 05-03-2008, 09:06 AM

Goals are to gain lean muscle for now, no wanting to really bulk up. I think maybe my 2nd cycle I will do a bulking cycle then cut. I'm not looking for a LOT of size but noticeable since I already have a good frame and decent size for my age, activity and life style. I know, most important is eat and diet properly. I have a good diet. I have read and modified some of the ones that got approval from here for my weight/size. I'm not leaving out the HGH since I get it prescribed and hoping to get some Test E prescribed next week.

**Maldorf** · 05-03-2008, 09:11 AM

Too much going on in the cycle. Keep things simple by just doing 500 mg test enanthate /cyp per week along with the prescribed GH. The test alone will work wonders since it sounds like this is your first time. If you are wanting to get leaner, the GH along with a good diet is all you need. I would reevaluate your diet and get some advice on setting that up. No need for T4 and that peptide.
Oh, i dont think youll need a pct either, since you are on prescribed test all of the time. YOu might want to have some arimidex on hand though while youre on the higher dose, in case estro sides start to kick in.

**lovbyts** · 05-03-2008, 10:02 AM

Would nolva work as good as the arimidex ? I'm thinking of using the CJC-1295 because it is very similar to the HGH and from the reading I have done they seem to compliment each other as the CJC will last longer in your system and faster results from less. I agree no need for T4, just the Test E

**lovbyts** · 05-05-2008, 11:46 PM

I'm not getting much love

**_007** · 05-06-2008, 12:10 AM

sounds like you know what your doing i dont know what else you want to hear ide say you got it figured out, let us know how it goes.

**lovbyts** · 05-06-2008, 10:40 AM

Thank you but I would still like to know about the PCT if it is OK or what might be better?
Would nolva work as good as the arimidex ?

One more thing, when should I start eh nolva? During or after the cycle, midway or at the beginning?

**lovbyts** · 05-07-2008, 11:52 AM

Come on guys, give it up a little please.....

My main/only real question is if the PCT looks OK and if I should run the Nolva during the whole cycle from the beginning, start it part way through or after the cycle???

I have seen it listed all ways, what is best and why PLEASE?