First Cycle need help

**keithyo** · 05-02-2008, 06:09 PM

I'm 23 5'10 180 pounds and around 10% body fat. I eat great and have been lifting 5 days a week for over a year. I plan on taking Dianabol 50mg oral and Test Enanthate together for my bulking cycle for 8-10 weeks.

I also am going to be cutting after and plan on using Winstrol and Equipose and have HCG for after these cycles. The only orals i have is the dianabol

My question to everyone is how should i go about this cycle? Should i do the bulking for 8-10 weeks, jump strait into cutting then use the HCG? Or should i do the bulking, use the hcg, cut and then another hcg?

I'm a noobie when it comes to this and am looking for as much help as i can get, i really don't want to hurt myself but i'm sick of gnc products and want the real deal. Also, with the HCG what is a good amount to use and how long should i do it when i use it.

**Kale** · 05-02-2008, 06:25 PM

Fits thing you need to do is get educated. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

Now what is the fascination with HCG , what do you think it does ?

**keithyo** · 05-02-2008, 06:29 PM

I want my balls to drop and have my levels as back to normal as possible i have no obsession with hcg i just don't know when is the proper timing to use these products and how long in between the bulking and cutting

**Phate** · 05-02-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by keithyo

I'm 23 5'10 180 pounds and around 10% body fat. I eat great and have been lifting 5 days a week for over a year. I plan on taking Dianabol 50mg oral and Test Enanthate together for my bulking cycle for 8-10 weeks.

I also am going to be cutting after and plan on using Winstrol and Equipose and have HCG for after these cycles. The only orals i have is the dianabol

My question to everyone is how should i go about this cycle? Should i do the bulking for 8-10 weeks, jump strait into cutting then use the HCG? Or should i do the bulking, use the hcg, cut and then another hcg?

I'm a noobie when it comes to this and am looking for as much help as i can get, i really don't want to hurt myself but i'm sick of gnc products and want the real deal. Also, with the HCG what is a good amount to use and how long should i do it when i use it.

let me get this straight, you want to run this cycle
1-10 test enanthate
1-10 dbol 50mg/day

then do a pct and ?immediately? start another cycle for cutting?

what dose of test do you want to run?

**keithyo** · 05-03-2008, 06:49 AM

The test is going to be divided twice a week at 250mg and i plan on doing the test with dbol for around 4-8 weeks depending on how i feel, i know im going to be bloated.

I don't know if i should do a pct after the bulk phase that's what im wondering, and when should i start cutting using the winstrol and equipose? i hear you should take the same amount of time off so if i bulk for 6 weeks am i then supposed to wait 6 weeks before cutting? I just want to do this the best way for results and am looking for someone to guide me with the products i have

**guinho** · 05-03-2008, 06:58 AM

use dianabol for more than 6 weeks ?! =X

try this bro:

1-12 test enant (500mg/week)
1-12 equipoise (600mg/week)
1-4 dianabol (50mg/day)
8-12 winstrol (50mg/day)

This if you want use that stuff. Use an good live detoxifier because dianabol and winstrol are very toxic. And use aromasin /arimidex in low dosage during the cycle.

What's your PCT?

**Bulldog1115** · 05-03-2008, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by guinho

use dianabol for more than 6 weeks ?! =X

try this bro:

1-12 test enant (500mg/week)
1-12 equipoise (600mg/week)
1-4 dianabol (50mg/day)
8-12 winstrol (50mg/day)

This if you want use that stuff. Use an good live detoxifier because dianabol and winstrol are very toxic. And use aromasin /arimidex in low dosage during the cycle.

What's your PCT?

DEF!...thats a legit cycle...u need 2 get nolvadex for PCT and clomid along with your HCG ...and start that in week 14 -18 or 2 weeks after ur last test injection, hows ur diet?... ur diet will determine ur results of this cycle!..i suggest u head over to the diet section just 2 be sure u got a good hold on your diet!

**BlInDsIdE** · 05-03-2008, 09:56 AM

if this is ur first cyce u don't need abuncha gear- test e and dbol will give great gains if ur diet and training is right.

test e -5-600mgs wk 1-10
dbol- 35-50 mgs wk 1-4

proper pct with clomid and or nolva + hcg if u feel u need it

**BlInDsIdE** · 05-03-2008, 10:05 AM

also u shouldn't just do ur pct then jump right into another cycle- time on equals time off at least. do u nkow much about hcg ? winny and eq is a horrible cycle eq needs to be run 12 wks IMO to reach its max effectivness and u shouldn't run winny for near that long plus theres not test in that cycle. u might think about postponing ur cycle and reading up on here to make sure ur diet and training r n check and learn some more about aas so u can make a more educated decision on how 2 use them

**keithyo** · 05-03-2008, 11:43 AM

I plan on doing the Test E 500mg a week 250mg Monday and Thursday. Thanks for all the replys this is really important to me and i appriciate everyones input however, for diet what do you guys recomend while on the dianabol ? I use Whey protein right now 3x a day and eat 3 meals a day. Morning, eggs and protein shake, lunch is chicken sandwich and a can of tuna with protein, i nibble on nuts throughout the day at work and beef jerky to keep up my metabolism. In the evenings i lift come home take my protein and eat chicken and potatos for carbs. Should i add more calories and protein? I feel like i'm eating a ton as it is now but was wondering if i should step up to Mass XXX with is around 1000 calories per shake 3x a day to really pack it on. What do you guys think as far as diet while on dianabol?

**ottomaddox** · 05-03-2008, 01:18 PM

I wouldn't switch to a Mass Shake as you call it, it's a waste and the body can't process that many calories at once. It probably has a ton of Sugar in it too. I think your diet could use a little tweaking, and/or fine tuning. Head over to the Diet section and they can help you over there.

Originally Posted by keithyo

I feel like i'm eating a ton as it is now but was wondering if i should step up to Mass XXX with is around 1000 calories per shake 3x a day to really pack it on. What do you guys think as far as diet while on dianabol?

**keithyo** · 05-03-2008, 01:32 PM

So do you guys think this is the best cycle to use for what i have

1-12 test enant (500mg/week)
1-12 equipoise (600mg/week)
1-4 dianabol (50mg/day)
8-12 winstrol (50mg/day)
HCG after all is done

I have no other products to use, this is all i have but can get stuff for my liver. Should i do this way or do the

test e -5-600mgs wk 1-10
dbol - 35-50 mgs wk 1-4

After all, this is my 1st cycle

**Phate** · 05-03-2008, 03:42 PM

here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=PHEENDO

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck