eq or tren a ?

[XLCanadian]

Guys. Trying to decide between EQ or Tren A. Have been told I need to run EQ for 12 weeks, but the tren can be run for as little as 8 weeks. So I am looking to find the pros and cons from anyone with experience with either.

I have read the profiles for each. All my buddies swear by tren, but I have concerns about toxicity. EQ on the other hand is cheaper, but requires a larger dose.

Now I am on my first injectable cycle, which most would say I am crazy to use tren on, but let me knw what you think.

[jstraw428]

what are your stats?
lifting experience?
Diet?
Goals?
Cycle Experience?

[Kratos]

hmmmm, lets compare the world's weakest steroid to the world's strongest.

[jstraw428]

thats exactly what i was thinking?

[XLCanadian]

Man I've posted these several times.

Stats
26 yrs. old
6'1"
212lbs
12% bf

Lifting Experience
7-8 yrs.

Diet
on point. 6 -8 meals. Taking in over 220 g of protein per day.
Minimal bad fats. Only clean carbs. Only sugars come immediately post-workout. Tons of veggies (I feel like a rabbit somedays).

Goals
end up around 215 - 220 lbs at 7-8% bf.

cycle experience
Not much. Ran some of that 1AD/M1T bs like 4 years ago.
Ran Winny and Clen for 10 weeks last summer.

Currently am on a 16 weeker.

Test C @ 125mg e3d for weeks 1-10
Test P @ 75-100mg EOD for weeks 11-16
Winny @ 50mg EOD for weeks 1-8

Trying to figure out whether I should run EQ from week 5 -16 or run tren A from weeks 9 -16 instead. I understand they both make you hard and vascular. Just not sure which is best, but I do realize Tren is way stronger than EQ and therein lies the concern. Or do I just stop the Winny after week 8 and just run test alone? (not the preferred choice)

Good news is I'm in week 3 of the above cycle and am experiencing no "gyno" related effects. So no anti-e's to mess with my gains.

PCT is already set with HCG , Clomid and Nolva.

[jstraw428]

EQ needs to be at least 12 wks......tren ace can be run for as short as 4-6 wks, with the right diet........Since you have no real cycle experience, i would try and stay away from tren.........I would stick with the cycle you have currently, except i would up my dosage of winny to say 75mg ed and run it the last 5 wks of the cycle along with the propinate.....JMO

[XLCanadian]

EQ needs to be at least 12 wks......tren ace can be run for as short as 4-6 wks, with the right diet........Since you have no real cycle experience, i would try and stay away from tren.........I would stick with the cycle you have currently, except i would up my dosage of winny to say 75mg ed and run it the last 5 wks of the cycle along with the propinate.....JMO

I know my experience is low. But I got good guys up here advising me.

Kind of hard to run the Winny for 16 weeks though. ****s me up after 9 - 10 weeks.

Should I run it to week 8, stop and then pick up again at a higher dose around week 12? Give myself a 4 week break with it.

[jstraw428]

no, you should only run winny the last 5 weeks of your cycle......

[jstraw428]

this will help harden up some of your gains you got running the test......this would be a pretty decent beginners cycle......and it doesnt matter how much these guys help you, tren is a powerful drug, and can have some pretty nasty sides.....

[jstraw428]

cyp 125mgs e3d wk1-10
Prop 75-100mgs eod wk11-16
winny 75mgs ed wk11-16

[XLCanadian]

cyp 125mgs e3d wk1-10
Prop 75-100mgs eod wk11-16
winny 75mgs ed wk11-16

I will say that the winny I am running now has kept me pretty hard, and I have not "watered up" very much at all.

And man this winny hurts. It is this veterinary shit my buddy gets from a lab where they make it for some rich dude's horses. Ouch!

Well, it seems kind of pointless to me to stop the winny now. What is your opinion on running it to week 8 and then at week 9 starting Anavar up til the end?

Probably safer than running tren A and better than killing the Winny now after only 3 weeks. And this way it can keep me hard (hehe) while on the test c thru may and june.

[XLCanadian]

So it would be

Test C 125mgs E3D weeks 1-10
Winny 50mgs EOD weeks 1-8
Test P 75 - 100mgs weeks 11-16
Anavar (not sure on dose, but I know its oral) ED weeks 9-16

PCT weeks 17-20.

[XLCanadian]

this will help harden up some of your gains you got running the test......this would be a pretty decent beginners cycle......and it doesnt matter how much these guys help you, tren is a powerful drug, and can have some pretty nasty sides.....

What kind of sides. I know like 4 guys on tren and they have no problems. But I do know it can be a dangerous compound. Hence my asking these questions here. cuz all my boys are saying "just do it".

[jstraw428]

you can do it like that......i would not run any less than 50mgs of anavar a day......

[jstraw428]

night sweats, insomnia, messes with your T3(thyroid hormone) production, can cause severe mood swings.....

[jstraw428]

It is by far my favorite drug, but i would never recomend it to someone that has never really cycled before......

[XLCanadian]

you can do it like that......i would not run any less than 50mgs of anavar a day......

And its tabs. I assume 25's. So im looking at getting 112 tabs. Damn I hope they don't come in 100 tab packs or bottles. hehe...

And Anavar sounds pretty safe. A lighter version of Winny, just more $$$$.

[XLCanadian]

It is by far my favorite drug, but i would never recomend it to someone that has never really cycled before......

I hear you loud and clear. And the test is already doing a number on me as far as mood and sex drive. Just gotta maintain control I guess.

Well I got some time until week 9 so I can make my choice at my leisure as either compund will be available then.

Thanks for the help.

[ChuckLee]

hmmmm, lets compare the world's weakest steroid to the world's strongest.

good one!
Don't forget the primo though

[CheddaNips]

hmmmm, lets compare the world's weakest steroid to the world's strongest.

lol exactly what i was gonna say kratos. Its like comparing apples and oranges. they have almost nothing in common other than they can bout be injected into your ass