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    Test only cycle and joints

    This will be my 1st cycle:

    Compounds:
    Testosterone enanthate or cypionate
    Clomid
    Nolvadex

    Structure:
    1-10 500mg/week of Test
    12-14 150mg/day clomid
    15-16 50mg/day clomid
    12-16 40mg/day nolvadex

    But what about joints? My buddy (no homo) is saying that I will need something for joints. He has used before, but doesn't research (conspiracy theorist) or visit these types of boards (not comp savvy), what do ppl more in the know say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akaz13 View Post
    This will be my 1st cycle:

    Compounds:
    Testosterone enanthate or cypionate
    Clomid
    Nolvadex

    Structure:
    1-10 500mg/week of Test
    12-14 150mg/day clomid
    15-16 50mg/day clomid
    12-16 40mg/day nolvadex

    But what about joints? My buddy (no homo) is saying that I will need something for joints. He has used before, but doesn't research (conspiracy theorist) or visit these types of boards (not comp savvy), what do ppl more in the know say?
    ha ha - that made me laugh!

    Try using the usual supps for joint support.

    Codliver oil, ***** oils, etc.

    If you find in your first cycle you do have problems with bad joints, add deca at a low dose like 200mg a week for your next cycle, as will help the joints.

    Most guys dont get a problem with bad joints from just test.. is more from compounds like winny.

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    why are you using both nolvadex and clomid? they are both essentially the same thing.

    40mg of nol is about the same as using 150mg of clomid so i don't know why you are going down then switching to nolva which would go back up in dose due to potency of nolva.

    condroiton D, fish oil, and glucosamine will all help joints. i use all 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binder View Post
    why are you using both nolvadex and clomid? they are both essentially the same thing.

    40mg of nol is about the same as using 150mg of clomid so i don't know why you are going down then switching to nolva which would go back up in dose due to potency of nolva.

    condroiton D, fish oil, and glucosamine will all help joints. i use all 3.
    TBH, I am just going to follow a cookie cutter routine from here:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=54

    spec, this one:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=664607

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git View Post
    ha ha - that made me laugh!

    Try using the usual supps for joint support.

    Codliver oil, ***** oils, etc.

    If you find in your first cycle you do have problems with bad joints, add deca at a low dose like 200mg a week for your next cycle, as will help the joints.

    Most guys dont get a problem with bad joints from just test.. is more from compounds like winny.

    thnx, for the info.

    as far as my buddy, he is a little bit wacko (srsly!), so I am just saying the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binder View Post
    why are you using both nolvadex and clomid? they are both essentially the same thing.

    40mg of nol is about the same as using 150mg of clomid so i don't know why you are going down then switching to nolva which would go back up in dose due to potency of nolva.

    condroiton D, fish oil, and glucosamine will all help joints. i use all 3.
    Because even though there both SERM's they have some unique properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git View Post
    Because even though there both SERM's they have some unique properties.
    ^^^agreed^^^ I will be taking both in 14 days from today

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