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    sust. Vs enathate Vs cypinate

    i have a chance to run either of these with some HGH. last time i took sust i broke out like a school boy. of the 3 which causes less zits and hair loss???

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    they are all about the same. sides vary from person to person. run yourself a small dose of an AI to try to lessen the sides.

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    whats AI ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotjuice? View Post
    whats AI ??
    Aromatose Inhibitor such as Arimidex /Liquidex (same thing) It stops the creation of to much Estrogen which cause some of the side effects you mention

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotjuice? View Post
    whats AI ??
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

    Aromatise Inhibitor (AI) Aromatase inhibitors exhibit a very different mechanism of action than SERMís. Aromatase inhibitors prevent the conversion of androgens into estrogen in fat, muscle, breast, and brain. ex: Anastrazole (brand name Arimidex ). FEMARA (letrozole tablets).

    AI:
    Femara, (letrozole tablets) for oral administration contain 2.5 mg of
    letrozole, a nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor (inhibitor of estrogen
    synthesis). Letrozole is a nonsteroidal competitive inhibitor of the
    aromatase enzyme system; it inhibits the conversion of androgens to
    estrogens.

    Cytadren , (aminoglutethimide) at moderate doses, is a fairly effective inhibitor of aromatase and a weak inhibitor of desmolase (an enzyme needed for the
    production of all steroids ), and at higher doses becomes an effective
    inhibitor of desmolase. It is therefore useful when using aromatizable
    steroids, though it is not the drug of choice for this purpose.

    Aromasin , tablets for oral administration contain 25 mg of exemestane,
    an irreversible, steroidal aromatase inactivator. Exemestane is
    chemically described as 6-methylenandrosta-1,4-diene-3,17 -dione.

    Anastrozole,(Arimidex) is the aromatase inhibitor of choice. The drug
    is appropriately used when using substantial amounts of aromatizing
    steroids, or when one is prone to gynecomastia and using moderate
    amounts of such steroids. It is manufactured by Zenica Pharmaceuticals
    and was approved for use in the United States at the end of Dec 1995.

    Proviron , is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the
    aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only
    blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents
    the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water
    retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses
    the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs.

    Teslac ,is unique in its effectiveness as an antiestrogen. Like
    Proviron, it prevents the aromatizing process of the steroids from the
    basis. Thus, Teslac prevents almost completely the introduction of more
    estrogens into the blood and subsequent bonding with the estrogen
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    I'd opts for a simple long estered as Enan of Cyp btw

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    with sust you need to be on point with your injections to keep your levels right. if not then you will break out.
    i have heard that prop will do you better as far as sides, if you can pokey yourself more than twice a week.

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    i would say enanthate or cyp

    less frequent injects and sides arent bad compared to sus

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    Enan or cyp - much easier to maintain blood levels so less sides like acne.

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    hopefully the sust you had was good??....

    and, what amounts of sust were you doing? frequency?

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    My personal opinion--

    Sustanon and Prop = less water rentention

    Enth = only slightly more

    Point = its all about the same for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATE0406 View Post
    they are all about the same. sides vary from person to person. run yourself a small dose of an AI to try to lessen the sides.
    i also get acne from sus, started cycle today, is AI done mid cycle or during pct to lessen sides??

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    bump to my question!!
    please..

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    you can run an AI during cycle to lessin sides of aas. now it also wouldnt hurt to run it during pct as well. but if you are only using sust then you could just go with a nolva pct.

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    i swapped my sus for enanthate tonight after hearing u get less acne from it after been riddle with it the last time from the sus, plus i never tried enanthate before either..
    my course is 400mgs enanthate 1-8weeks
    400mg deca 1-6weeks
    30mgs dbol 1-4 weeks
    hows that sound??
    pct is clomid 100/50/50/50
    nolva 60/40/40
    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by od404 View Post
    i swapped my sus for enanthate tonight after hearing u get less acne from it after been riddle with it the last time from the sus, plus i never tried enanthate before either..
    my course is 400mgs enanthate 1-8weeks
    400mg deca 1-6weeks
    30mgs dbol 1-4 weeks
    hows that sound??
    pct is clomid 100/50/50/50
    nolva 60/40/40
    ??
    deca at 6 weeks is a waste. i takes that long to kick in. i would run the test longer too

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    yeah you need to run that cylce longer. run it something like this.
    1-12 test 400mgs/week
    1-10 deca 400mgs/week
    1-4 dbol 30-50 mgs/day.

    also with this type of cycle i would deff get an AI incase of issues with gyno start to rise. and i would look into a better pct. what you have is not bad but i always bulk up my pct when running a 19nor compond. look into A-Robs pct.

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    Enan and Cyp... sust i did my first cycle but thats cuz i was noob.. Sust i did 500 mg..2 shots a week and got great results..but should be shot eot to keep all the esters consistent. which means more mgs a week..figure out how much mgs u need a week so that your body gets better results..without over doing it....or underdoing it.. Enan and cyp are alot easier to manage..cuz you can get pretty close to what mgs u want to be at..without worrying about the short esters half life. Sust does have alil more side effects then rest..sust flu isnt fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by od404 View Post
    i swapped my sus for enanthate tonight after hearing u get less acne from it after been riddle with it the last time from the sus, plus i never tried enanthate before either..
    my course is 400mgs enanthate 1-8weeks
    400mg deca 1-6weeks
    30mgs dbol 1-4 weeks
    hows that sound??
    pct is clomid 100/50/50/50
    nolva 60/40/40
    ??
    k i was a lil slow on reading your post below that,, plus im being a post whore till i get my post back up to par.... ur cycle needs tuning up..

    IMO

    500 mg enan 1-12 weeks
    30 mgdbol 1-4 weeks
    400 mg deca 1-10 weeks

    u using nolva through whole cycle and liquidex

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotjuice? View Post
    i have a chance to run either of these with some HGH. last time i took sust i broke out like a school boy. of the 3 which causes less zits and hair loss???
    they are virtaully the same just differnt timed esters.

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    I ran sust once and liked gains but was ill informed about esters i basically just listened to the dealer. the different types of test its made from have diff half lifes which is why you have to hit it more often. think of it as combination of diff test all losing there potency at different times vs. using one that is 100% the same ester. a lot more predictable at maintaining levels. i would use it again now that i know more but its just a little more maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATE0406 View Post
    yeah you need to run that cylce longer. run it something like this.
    1-12 test 400mgs/week
    1-10 deca 400mgs/week
    1-4 dbol 30-50 mgs/day.

    also with this type of cycle i would deff get an AI incase of issues with gyno start to rise. and i would look into a better pct. what you have is not bad but i always bulk up my pct when running a 19nor compond. look into A-Robs pct.
    wats a 19nor compound??
    i know a lot of people are recommending 12 week cycle but tbh the most ive done was a 6 week cycle and got massive gains, stonne and a half off first one, this is my first 8 week cycle, was content with 6 week tbh..

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    any single ester is better then a BS test blend IMO

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