Hows this sound?

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:28 PM

This is what I have come up with for my first cycle and pc

Pre-cycle:
2-2.5 weeks of letro @ 25 ml ed

Cycle:10 weeks
1/2 cc Sust 325 Mon/Thurs
1/2 cc Prop 100 Sun/Wed
25 ml letro

PC: Two weeks after last inj
start nolva @ 25-50 ml ed for 4 weeks

my question is hows this sound and when should i stop the letro? Thanks in advance

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:31 PM

the cycle sounds awful, to be honest. blood levels would be all over the place.
and why the letro before and during?

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:32 PM

well apparently letro takes two weeks to be fully in the blood stream, so what would u suggest with the given gear

**Love2Juice111** · 05-12-2008, 08:34 PM

Well first off.. 1/2 cc of prop. Why not run 1 cc?? And if you do you need to inject Every OTHER DAY.. Use the Leto while on clycle bro

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

well apparently letro takes two weeks to be fully in the blood stream, so what would u suggest with the given gear

what I meant was, why would you be using letro at all?
as for the test, sust should be shot every other day, personally I shoot prop every day.

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Love2Juice111

Well first off.. 1/2 cc of prop. Why not run 1 cc?? And if you do you need to inject Every OTHER DAY.. Use the Leto while on clycle bro

okay, well from what i've researched if i spaced out my sust for too long, ie once a week, then my levels would be messed up because of the fast acter ester, so i thought i'd balance it out with the prop i have so i maintain it with a low dosage of prop.

And I was planning on using the letro all the way through at 25 mg a day

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:38 PM

i was planning on using letro as my estrogen inhibitor, apparently it's the best according to the excellently rated sticky boards

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

And I was planning on using the letro all the way through at 25 mg a day

I realized from the first post what you are planning with the letro, what I keep asking is why? I've cycled for many years and never use letro, people typically have a specific reason to add it. what's yours?

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

i was planning on using letro as my estrogen inhibitor, apparently it's the best according to the excellently rated sticky boards

oh, ok, and no.
you need estrogen to grow, if you need an ai at all (and you may not) you would want to start at the weakest end of the scale, arimidex , at .25eod. letro is much stronger and it's only role in my opinion is gyno reversal.

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I realized from the first post what you are planning with the letro, what I keep asking is why? I've cycled for many years and never use letro, people typically have a specific reason to add it. what's yours?

from what i researched it shouldn't hurt and if "98% of estrogen" is blocked then there is no potential for gyno, but in case it does begin to appear, then i have my nolva ready

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by GhostCrab

from what i researched it shouldn't hurt and if "98% of estrogen" is blocked then there is no potential for gyno, but in case it does begin to appear, then i have my nolva ready

hehe we keep replying at the same time, my post above yours explained my thinking...

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:43 PM

ok but it's good to have, being that this is my first cycle in case i discover i am prone to gyno correct? so lets say I want to stick with 100 prop and 325 sust in a one weeks time to be able to complete a full 10 week cycle on a 10ml supply, what would you suggest with that gear

**Big** · 05-12-2008, 08:43 PM

I see you lurking lex, take the reigns please, I'm getting some rest...

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:44 PM

lol and i really do appreciate the quick response

**lex57** · 05-12-2008, 08:44 PM

so you are gonna do 25 mg per day of letro? that will definitely inhibit the estrogen, becuase it is about FIFTY TIMES! the normal dose you would need. you clearly need to take a step back forget about the gear right now, and learn on this board for a bare minimum of 6 months before you even consider gear. do you realize that had you taken 25 mg per day of letro while on cycle you would have suppressed your estrogen to 0 and made no gains whatsoever, you are going to do nothing but hurt yourself.

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

so you are gonna do 25 mg per day of letro? that will definitely inhibit the estrogen, becuase it is about FIFTY TIMES! the normal dose you would need. you clearly need to take a step back forget about the gear right now, and learn on this board for a bare minimum of 6 months before you even consider gear. do you realize that had you taken 25 mg per day of letro while on cycle you would have suppressed your estrogen to 0 and made no gains whatsoever, you are going to do nothing but hurt yourself.

ok, mistype 2.5 mg

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:47 PM

i would not do the entire bottle in one day, i understand this lol

**lex57** · 05-12-2008, 08:50 PM

from 25 ml per day to 25 mg to 2.5 mg....... do you see my point though? you have a lot to learn obviously. wouldnt you rather wait and get fantastic gains, then to have an average cycle and gain 10 lbs and lose 5. the key is knowledge bro. even at 2.5 mg per day thats still 5 times what i use, when i use letro on cycle i do 0.5 mg/day to keep water off or if i feel itchy nips or something.

**james21** · 05-12-2008, 08:54 PM

letro aside i guess its not TOO awful because he would be getting prop EOD on that cycle

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 08:54 PM

ok well first of all, im not trying to act like i know everything, but i have read almost every available thread on this and that is what I have read and people have replied "oh what great advice!" "That sounds great!" so why is it that your opinion varies so much from these other posts, i don't know, just don't talk to me like im just jumping into this, i'm doing the research, i really appreciate your help, just make it constructive not insulting, because i did not put a decimal point, obviously i wasn't going to take 25 ml a day, please thank you

**lex57** · 05-12-2008, 09:02 PM

my point is that if you really know your stuff you are not going to mistake ml for mg and 2.5 for 25 etc, etc, etc, ok then. you wanna do this right then here it is. forget about the letro.... either run prop 1 cc eod for 8 weeks, or the sust you could run 1/2 cc eod for 10 weeks. keep the letro on hand in case of any puffiness or itching. this will probably not be seen with the prop as i found from personal experience that i have never had an aromitizing problem when running prop. i pretty much run it exclusively with all my cycles. i love prop. thats me though, everyone is different, but it is my favorite by far. oh i almost forgot look up anthony roberts pct. ok...............

**GhostCrab** · 05-12-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

my point is that if you really know your stuff you are not going to mistake ml for mg and 2.5 for 25 etc, etc, etc, ok then. you wanna do this right then here it is. forget about the letro.... either run prop 1 cc eod for 8 weeks, or the sust you could run 1/2 cc eod for 10 weeks. keep the letro on hand in case of any puffiness or itching. this will probably not be seen with the prop as i found from personal experience that i have never had an aromitizing problem when running prop. i pretty much run it exclusively with all my cycles. i love prop. thats me though, everyone is different, but it is my favorite by far.

Thank you Lex! And I do appreciate your concern. So I think i might follow your advice and run the prop and sust on seperate cycles, because i do not want to throw my blood levels out of whack, if apparently that is what will happen. Question is what would be better to start out with, Im gonna assume you will suggest the prop, and then just hang on to the letro if need be. And how about my pc with nolva what you think, length? dosage?

**lex57** · 05-12-2008, 09:16 PM

actually the best thing to start would be test e. because you can shoot 2 xs per week say sunday and thursday for 10 weeks. you would need about 20 mls. versus 30 of prop or sust as mentioned before. then like i said anthony roberts pct. pct is extremely important in keeping your gains you work so hard for. also visit the diet section, i really like the milos sarcev video. its very informative. good luck.