Which of these two cycles are better

[maxneo553]

My stats are 21, BF 12%, Weight: 180 pounds, Expirence: 4 years of training

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 50mg
WEEK8: TBOL 50mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

or

WEEK 1: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 2: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 3: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 4: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 5: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 6: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 7: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 8: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 9: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 10: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg

* same PCT as above cycle

One thing though is i finally have a source that has test but i have never used that source before and im not sure if they are reliable enough and also i heard alot of people from having alot of you get acne, gyno, and hairloss from test (that is why i kept it at 250mg a week instead of 500mg). Also i think i may be a bit gyno prone since i had gyno for a few months when i was thirteen but it went away alone. My goal is to keep 10-15 pounds at least but more is welcomed.

[smokethedays]

My stats are 21, BF 12%, Weight: 180 pounds, Expirence: 4 years of training

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 50mg
WEEK8: TBOL 50mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

or

WEEK 1: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 2: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 3: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 4: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 5: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 6: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 7: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 8: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 9: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg
WEEK 10: D-BOL 30mg ED/TEST E 250mg

* same PCT as above cycle

One thing though is i finally have a source that has test but i have never used that source before and im not sure if they are reliable enough and also i heard alot of people from having alot of you get acne, gyno, and hairloss from test (that is why i kept it at 250mg a week instead of 500mg). Also i think i may be a bit gyno prone since i had gyno for a few months when i was thirteen but it went away alone. My goal is to keep 10-15 pounds at least but more is welcomed.

2nd cycle is better when modified:

week 1-12 Test E 400 mg/week (shot twice/week)
week 1-8 D-bol 40mg/day
Week 14-17 PCT

Taking 250 mg Test/week 500 mg/week isn't going to STOP side effects from occuring if you are prone to it, that's why you keep Letro or Arimidex or any AI handy.

Your going to cycle AAS, then do it right.

[200byjune]

number 1

[LATS60]

Depends on your goals, just exactly what are you looking for from this proposed cycle.

[LATS60]

2nd cycle is better when modified:

week 1-12 Test E 400 mg/week (shot twice/week)
week 1-8 D-bol 40mg/day
Week 14-17 PCT

Taking 250 mg Test/week 500 mg/week isn't going to STOP side effects from occuring if you are prone to it, that's why you keep Letro or Arimidex or any AI handy.

Your going to cycle AAS, then do it right.

Thats bad advice, do it right for sure. but that for a 1st cycle is bad and 8wks of dbol at 40mg wk, thats plain irresponsable.

[200byjune]

run the anavar all 8 weeks

[maxneo553]

bump

[sassbs11]

why you bumping you havent answered latsos question?

[maxneo553]

why you bumping you havent answered latsos question?

o my bad. I'm mainly just looking for more mass that is maintainable after the cycle

[roodogg]

How tall are you?

[maxneo553]

5"11

[gixxerboy1]

i would run test only. Sides should be min and with your stats and a good diet your goals are easliy attanable

[maxneo553]

If i replaced dbol with tbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks would it give me alot of acne or potentially gyno

[roodogg]

Max I have to call u out brotha! I see that u r new here and the only thing that u have learned here is to lie which is not a good idea. I have read through some of the threads that u have started and in the last 2 months your age has gone from 18 to 21 and your weight, height and bf is bs as well. Please dont lie here it will only hurt u not help. Some bros have already given u the best advice that u r gonna get here and u chose to ignore it. U r not ready for aas. Learn how to eat properly and train hard

[gixxerboy1]

If i replaced dbol with tbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks would it give me alot of acne or potentially gyno

everyone is different. But that is better then what you had thought of

[Big]

My stats are 21, BF 12%, Weight: 180 pounds

21, Height 6'0, BF 11%, no cycle expirence (have been researching a bit though), weight 180 pounds

5'10

my stats are Age: 21, BF% 11, Weight: 175, Height 6'0, Age: 20

my stats are 20(turning 21 soon) 6'1 154 pounds BF% 10(last done in september)

I'm trying to gain mass. What I was going to do was to take Dianabol at 15mg per day with Nolvadex at 20mg per day on a 8 week cycle. Approx how much weight will I gain from this, also i'm 18 turning 19 soon and I think im still growing a bit will the Dbol stunt my growth even though im taking it in low doses. Will I be able to keep my gains after i stop, also whats a good work out just to gain some muscle mass (I have my own workout bu i just wanna hear some suggestions). Also how much will i have to change my diet ( will i have to greatly increase my calorie intake etc.) and will i be able to eat junk food as much.

ok, these are your posts stats over the last 2 months, care to explain? let me guess, all typos, right?

[PT]

ok, these are your posts stats over the last 2 months, care to explain? let me guess, all typos, right?

good job big, you caught him in a lie

[lex57]

minor details, just tell me what i wanna hear!

[Amorphic]

ok, these are your posts stats over the last 2 months, care to explain? let me guess, all typos, right?

[roodogg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHSAaGZyZdY

[Big]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHSAaGZyZdY

[PT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHSAaGZyZdY

thats pretty good bro

[roodogg]

I'm crackin myself up here