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05-19-2008, 09:20 AM #1New Member
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First Cycle Input Needed Please
Age: 33
5' 10"
200 Lbs
15% BF
lifting serious for 6 years
super clean diet lots of pro, healthy fats and greens right now around 3000 cals a day. taking in about 400 grams of protien per day.
other sups:
creatine mono
Vit C
Multi
fish oil
Flex ( a joint sup)
Arginine
BCAA (xtend)
Cycle
Weeks 1-10 test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-9 Deca 300mg/week
Anastrozole 1mg/ED
PCT (ran 2 weeks after last injection of test E)
Anastrozole 1mg/ED
Clomid: 200mg days 1 and 2, 100mg for the rest of week 1 (taken ED),
weeks 2,3,4 50mg/ED
Tribulus 625mg ED
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05-20-2008, 07:28 PM #2New Member
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changes
any thing I should change or does this look good for a first cycle?
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05-20-2008, 07:30 PM #3
I like to run the test 2 weeks longer than deca , and personally I like to run deca at least 10 weeks, but for a first cycle I would run test only.
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05-20-2008, 07:41 PM #4
agreed for several reasons^^^^ test only first cycle, add deca on second, here are a couple reasons why in case your wondering
1. Your receptors are fresh so a test first cycle will yield VERY GOOD results as long as your diet, which is the most important part of bodybuilding, and training is on point.
2. If you are afraid of gyno and estrogen related sides, deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive
as you can see, running deca for a first cycle can be risky especially if you are afraid of gyno
3.Oh yes, there's more, deca is a 19nor and is very supressive so the pct is going to have to be more intensive and thus more expensive
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05-20-2008, 08:32 PM #5New Member
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thanks
Thanks guys so how does this look?
Cycle
Weeks 1-10 test E 500mg/week
Anastrozole 1mg/ED
PCT (ran 2 weeks after last injection of test E ?)
Anastrozole 1mg/ED
Clomid: 200mg days 1 and 2, 100mg for the rest of week 1 (taken ED),
weeks 2,3,4 50mg/ED
Tribulus 625mg ED
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05-20-2008, 08:37 PM #6
I wouldn't use arimidex unless I was sure I needed it, and if I did I would start at .25mg eod.
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05-22-2008, 05:43 PM #7New Member
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do you mean for the cycle or post or both?
Should I stick to 500 of test e or go lower?
Thanks for your help on this!!!!
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05-22-2008, 05:46 PM #8
I meant on cycle, and 500mg/week is fine.
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06-25-2008, 09:59 AM #9New Member
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Thanks for all your help so I have my Test E now just rounding up the rest and I will start soon just wanted a final review please.
CYCLE
Weeks 1 - 10
Test E 500mg/week
Anastrozole .25mg/EOD
POST CYCLE START TWO WEEKS AFTER LAST TEST INJECTION
Weeks 13 - 15
Natural test booster ED
Clomid 200mg days 1 and 2, 100mg for the rest of week 13 (taken ED), weeks 14 and 15 50mg/ED
anastrozole 1mg/EDLast edited by underrated; 07-23-2008 at 10:30 AM.
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06-25-2008, 03:14 PM #10Senior Member
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the adex looks high still. While on cycle only use it if you need it. Start with .25mgs eod that might be enough to clear your sides. Using adex over .5mgs is kinda a waste. There have been more than a few ppl that have said anything over .5mgs they don't notice any difference. I would run your pct at .5mgs ed, and thats even pretty high.
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07-28-2008, 11:44 AM #11New Member
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Getting ready to start just wanted any last minute advice on the cycle or PCT. If I decide to run the cycle for 12 weeks would my PCT need to change. I would still run it two weeks after my last pin.
Do you guys like the PCT?
CYCLE
Weeks 1 - 10
Test E 500mg/week
Anastrozole .25mg/EOD
POST CYCLE START TWO WEEKS AFTER LAST TEST INJECTION
Weeks 13 - 15
Natural test booster ED
Clomid 200mg days 1 and 2, 100mg for the rest of week 13 (taken ED), weeks 14 and 15 50mg/ED
anastrozole 1mg/ED
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