A good 1st cycle?

**GT2** · 05-21-2008, 06:29 AM

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**sassbs11** · 05-21-2008, 06:34 AM

Depends on what your goals are, can you be more specific when you say you wanna pack on some extra muscle

**_007** · 05-21-2008, 06:35 AM

congrads on the natty gains bro thats a solid effort. Know its not what you want to hear but you should wait a couple of years. @ your age you are gaining with proper diet & training. 5"7 isnt tall ide say you have a good chance @ growing a little taller. Just think about it bro i know how tempting it is trust me.

**GT2** · 05-21-2008, 06:39 AM

sfafas

**sassbs11** · 05-21-2008, 06:51 AM

Well i stay out of the age conversations/discussions whether your/their age is right, ppl dont agree with your age then therefore wont help you out which tbh is pretty shitty, who are ppl to judge? so answer to your post i would use test 500mg for 12 weeks as its your 1st cycle, or if no test use the sust. Also get some nolva just incase.

**Big** · 05-21-2008, 07:03 AM

sassbs11, you think advising people not to do steroids when we feel they are too young and could be hurting themselves is ''shitty''? what if they were 15 years old? what if they were 10? I've been studying this lifestyle longer than this poster has been alive, and I truly believe they could be doing more harm than good if they start now. people say ''well if they are going to do it anyway, why not help?'' I used this analogy a few days ago: Lets say one of your friends wants to drive drunk, but can't find their keys. You see their keys on the counter. they are looking all over for their keys. do you show them where they are? Me? no. but they are going to drive anyway, right? in my opinion someone who has the intent to do something that just might hurt themselves should not be encouraged. if this guy is going to do it anyway, this board has thousands of posts answering all of his questions, he could simply research it and learn what he needs to. we are not preventing them from learning, we simply are not condoning their choice by spelling it out for them.

**sassbs11** · 05-21-2008, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Big

sassbs11, you think advising people not to do steroids when we feel they are too young and could be hurting themselves is ''shitty''? what if they were 15 years old? what if they were 10? I've been studying this lifestyle longer than this poster has been alive, and I truly believe they could be doing more harm than good if they start now. people say ''well if they are going to do it anyway, why not help?'' I used this analogy a few days ago: Lets say one of your friends wants to drive drunk, but can't find their keys. You see their keys on the counter. they are looking all over for their keys. do you show them where they are? Me? no. but they are going to drive anyway, right? in my opinion someone who has the intent to do something that just might hurt themselves should not be encouraged. if this guy is going to do it anyway, this board has thousands of posts answering all of his questions, he could simply research it and learn what he needs to. we are not preventing them from learning, we simply are not condoning their choice by spelling it out for them.

No general advice as not to do steroids as they are too young should be sufficent not completely rule them out beause of their age, i in no way condone using steroids at an early age but what people do is their business, and yes you have been studying longer than poster has been alive i in no way doubt your knowledge, and the use of the analogy of the drink driver has in no way any relation to this post, you cannot compare a drink driver to a steroid user, a drink driver could hurt other people with his misinformed judgements, a misinformed steroid user can only hurt himself

**Big** · 05-21-2008, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by sassbs11

i would use test 500mg for 12 weeks as its your 1st cycle, or if no test use the sust.

if no test use the sust???

**Big** · 05-21-2008, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by sassbs11

a drink driver could hurt other people with his misinformed judgements, a misinformed steroid user can only hurt himself

So it's ok as long as he only hurts himself? I have a meeting to go to, so I will just agree to disagree with you on this specific topic. Have a good day bro.

**Big** · 05-21-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Big

if no test use the sust???

could you elaborate on this?

**sassbs11** · 05-21-2008, 03:57 PM

Its was early over here bro when i wrote that wasnt thinking str8 ,(thats my stupid comment for the day) but yeah also we'll just agree to disagree on that subject above.

**DS21** · 05-21-2008, 07:37 PM

I have to agree with BIG on this one. I studied this website for about 3-4 months before asking any questions, I just gathered info and tried to make an educated decision on weather to use ass or not. IMO, that is what you should force this guy to do, not give him the answer, he is 18. Sass, do you remember when you where 18?? You want everthing to happen now and don't think about the future, and that is what it sounds like this guy is doing. When have you gained 60+ lbs in a year and a half? Sound as if he is doing okay without ass, IMO!

**qualityclrk1** · 05-21-2008, 07:42 PM

i've been watching this site for about a year......and i rarely post in this forum.....but i've figured out that i love ass, and would love to use ass.....

but i've stayed away from aas

i woulda let it go if it woulda only been one (typo), but u said it multiple times....

**DS21** · 05-21-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by qualityclrk1

i've been watching this site for about a year......and i rarely post in this forum.....but i've figured out that i love ass, and would love to use ass.....

but i've stayed away from aas

i woulda let it go if it woulda only been one (typo), but u said it multiple times....

I love ass too, but good looking out. I will make sure to spell check before posting!

**sassbs11** · 05-21-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by DS21

I have to agree with BIG on this one. I studied this website for about 3-4 months before asking any questions, I just gathered info and tried to make an educated decision on weather to use ass or not. IMO, that is what you should force this guy to do, not give him the answer, he is 18. Sass, do you remember when you where 18?? You want everthing to happen now and don't think about the future, and that is what it sounds like this guy is doing. When have you gained 60+ lbs in a year and a half? Sound as if he is doing okay without ass, IMO!

Very true hes doing gr8, but i try to take a more open approach, as in that ppl are gonna do it anyway so why not just give them advice, maybe thats the wrong approach, maybe not even i dont know, big seems to disagree with quite a few of my posts but that doesnt give him the right to shoot my opinions down or incinuate im wrong in giving advice to young soon to be steroid users, as as for the keys to a drunk driving a vehicle, come on big thats way below the belt and really insulted me and my intelligence.

**Big** · 05-21-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by sassbs11

Very true hes doing gr8, but i try to take a more open approach, as in that ppl are gonna do it anyway so why not just give them advice, maybe thats the wrong approach, maybe not even i dont know, big seems to disagree with quite a few of my posts but that doesnt give him the right to shoot my opinions down or incinuate im wrong in giving advice to young soon to be steroid users, as as for the keys to a drunk driving a vehicle, come on big thats way below the belt and really insulted me and my intelligence.

I do disagree with you at times, but I did not intend for it to come off as insulting, I apologize if it did. I think one of the things that makes forums like this interesting is the wide range of viewpoints we get, if everyone agreed on everything it would hardly be worth reading. My analogy may not have been the most accurate, but I was just trying to make the point that if someone is doing something that is likely to hurt themselves, encouraging them because they are going to do it anyway isn't the best stance. As I said earlier though, I'm comfortable in agreeing to disagree at times and still look forward to your input.