Short Burst Cycles

[eljugo16]

Hey fellas I was reading one of Markus's articles on short burst cycling and was very interested by it. Does anyone have more indepth info on it. Im thinking about giving it a shot and want to know the details.
Thanks

[IronMonkey]

actually, due to recent events at my job which now requires me to travel (fly) at least once every quarter, I'm also quite curious as to this. I was going to run one 12-week cycle of T.Prop/Masteron/Anavar/Winstrol, but now I'm almost wondering if I should split it into two 6-week cycles, T.Prop/Masteron/Anavar, and T.Prop/Winstrol. Hmmmmmmm...

[eljugo16]

come on guys dotn be greedy, share the massive knowledge thats on this forum

[VWbug66]

i to was thinking about this, that way ur not shutdown for soo long also..i just know there is many theories behind the short burst cycles..but me 2, would love to know more about them

[G-1000]

what would you like to know? We are not mind readers.

[VWbug66]

short burst cycles, as eljugo stated in his first post

[Pinnacle]

Posted today on muscular development. c o m by marcus

You're welcome :-)

Short burst cycling explained-
One of the best approaches Ive ever used to build muscle tissue is short burst cycling, before i go any further i want to state that short cycling can be implemented to what ever level you are, its not only for the advance Bodybuilder it can be for all stages, its just the amount of gear Mg is adjusted to suit the individual's level. The best part of this thread will be aimed at advanced bodybuilders because of the high dose used with burst cycling but no discussion on dosages will be made on the open board unless it needs to be discussed.

Muscle tissue doesn't grow continuously over long periods of time, weight gain and muscular growth doesn't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to whats being taken and builds up tolerance and adapts. If you look back over your cycle history you will notice the growth spurts within the cycles, we don't keep on growing because if we did we would all be 500lbs+. This method can build huge tissue gains in that short growth window if everything is in place.


Pre -Cycle Primming- First you must open the growth window and create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, muscle receptors will get very excitable and upgrade to except more glucose which will shift the muscle to fat ratio which in turn will create muscle tissue to build very quickly, when this is coupled with a short burst cycle right after a prime the results can be outstanding, some of you will understand this from rebound cycling after a comp, its very similar except the prime isn't as harsh as the pre-cycle comp diet and the prime is only directed at creating and opening the growth window for the cycle, its a pre-cycle prime.(details of primming is in a separate thread).Hgh protocol should be ran during the prime at low dose and kicked up when cycle starts.


Duration - Short burst cycling usually last for around 30 days, there is no set rule on the length of cycle and normally it can be open ended and stopped when growth slows/stops. You have to listen to the body and adjust, with burst cycling it shouldn't be ran for long periods of time, longer doesn't mean more or better gains.Keep it short and feed the growth window and build the tissue and stop, recover and maintain.

Dosages- The dose for a short burst cycle is alot more than you would normally use in a standard length cycle, because of the prime and the body being in a very anabolic environment it can take on board alot more than usual and over loading androgens will fully push the body to grow, it also takes time for the body to adjust to the high level of hormones in relation to sides so before you are experiencing them your off cycle. Over your cycle history you would of tried the heavy dosages and seen the sides come and where its not worth the risk's to muscle gain, this is why its kept to a short period before the body can adjust with sides the cycle is over and growth is completed. Individual dosages are designed off your cycle history, there is no set dose it all depends on what your cycle history looks like, someone who normally uses 500mg per wk will be completely different to the guy who uses 1500mgs per wk when designing short burst cycles, but both will have the benefit of using high amounts what they normally don't run.

Side effects- If your looking for the best effective way to run hormones without to much negative feedback staying on for long periods of time probably isn't the best option to take. Ive had far better blood work back from high burst cycles than when Ive ran longer cycles at alot less dosage. There is minimal impact on the HPTA and recovery is far easier than trying to bring back natural production from a long cycle, there is some elevated aggression because of the high amount of androgens but overall this can be channeled into your workouts. PCT should be painless and within normal boundaries of how you recover. Blood pressure in some can be a problem but not serious but needs to be checked throughout the period so aids can be used to combat the problem if needed. Water retention is low but can be elevated if this system is ran for long periods, but if there is a problem normal AI can be used to help this issue and OTC herbal diuretics. Tren user's within this system get bad BW results due to the harshness of the compound but boy does it produce gains but you have to be prepared to have a hard recovery and sides, kinda defeats the object but again, down to the individual.

Compounds- Because its a short period of time the normal way would to run short ester's, but you can use long ester's within a short cycle, i know what some of you are thinking but it can be done with great results, because of the androgen overload your simply frontloading long ester's to an amount were it is effective straight from the start, the only problem is you have to drop them out 14 days before the end and swap them with fast ester's so everything is clear for PCT, i know what some are saying sounds pointless but its not, to the BB's who prefer long ester and they respond better to them, remember its designed of your cycle history so if your better with long esters go with them until 14 days from the end and swap to fast ester's, the daily injection and the amount of tissue the body can produce in a short period is amazing, if anyone wants to discuss long ester's with this theory i will but at this moment in time i will stop before i complicate things more. Short ester's and fast acting compounds are used and the exact compounds depends on what your trying to achieve but normally its Test based or what you respond best to, 2 /3 compounds are ran at a time but no need to run loads, keep them limited less is better,Ive even known guys used 1 compound with stunning results. HGH is increased to a high amount when cycle starts just like all the compounds. I did a study once with some BB's and the dosages range alot with all different HGH protocol's which is interesting reading but i can go into that at a later date.

Maintenance - Due to the HPTA being shut down or suppressed for a short period of time its far better to get it to respond when the cycle is over, remember being shut down for weeks on end cause's serious issues about recovery and maintenance, shorter shut downs produces easier recovery no matter how much you have pushed in the body,which in turn results in better maintenance which equals keeping more gains. Once you have shut down your HPTA its down and its the period of shutdown what cause's damage, would you rather shut down your HPTA for 14 weeks or 30 days?? or continually shutting down and recovering isn't the other best approach either, depends on the person's goals and what he wants to achieve with BBing, some of my friends who are at a high level use short burst cycling coupled with bridge's because of what they have to compete with on stage and get ready for photo shoots nearly all the time. Recovering from a standard or long cycle it cost muscle tissue while trying to recovery even with all the peptide's chemicals this day and age we still lose tissue, with this theory losing tissue is limited.

Diet - After the prime as been implemented correctly, the cycle should be started and this day should line up with the first high carb day after the low day carbs within the prime, calories from then on should be increased to over maintenance, different opinions here to how much, again down to knowing your body and how it responds, many who increase too fast will create huge water retention due to the increase of carbs, some don't and over load can be implemented, if your one of these guys who has water retention when carbs are increased after being depleted then over maintenance should be ran for 1 week ish then, overload should be used, if your not and you don't carry the water from the carbs increase calories well over maintenance and go with growth,also depends on how much of a prime as been ran!! feed the dramatic growth what can occur if you have done the procedure correctly.Over eat, over feed, overload on the first day of the cycle straight after the prime from low carb phase.One last thing and i hope many understand this- diet is 24hr dedication while running the theory.

Training - Train to how you grow, best advice here is heavy intense workouts to total failure,HIT style or what ever works for you, you have the answers on how you grow. Intense is the key, stimulation of the whole body to grow, don't waste this time, remember to train how i am recommending is impossible for 10-12 weeks, its to hard and wouldn't last 4 weeks, before a turn around is needed and lay up from the heavy training session, so with this in mind you can mentally focus on this because its only for around 30 days long. Ive used many ways myself but the best for me with this style of cycling was heavy drop sets to failure plus forced, swapped to pre-exhausted drop sets to failure the following next total body workout, then swapped again. Workouts are short but seriously intense but you have the food/chemicals and energy to support this for this short period so don't waste it, Ive seen huge amounts of tissue build from this, myself i created 10lbs of clean tissue in a very short period of time after PCT and maintenance. Everybody's different to how much they build and comes down to if you have primed correctly, designed the perfect stack for you, placed the correct amount of mg's in the blood every day and how well you train to build fresh tissue.


When i was first learnt this method my whole body changed to a serious level,I never went back to the normal way of cycling, it suited me so much and the growth was amazing. Borreson sat me down and explained in detail how this can happen and to this day things have moved forward so much from Paul's day but i always remember him saying "please try it you will be amazed" he was right and it could for you. Look at Dorian what he did straight after a show....he was back in the gym the day after while the other were on vacation, he was using the growth window to create a very anabolic environment for tissue to grow and he used it, thats why in some years he produced some serious muscle tissue gains what has been seen since due to his method and style, many top pro's used this system but its tweaked to suit their individual's needs.

Please note, i am not saying do short burst cycles with little time off and then back on short burst cycle, no i haven't gone into that side of things, all i am doing is explaining the whole theory behind short burst cycling with first hand experience from myself and many bodybuilder's.
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marcus

[G-1000]

short burst cycles, as eljugo stated in his first post

So shit.

He is asking for more info? That is vague if you ask me. State what kind of info you looking for.

Like i said what is it about short cycle you would like to know????

[Pinnacle]

More info...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

[Ashop]

Hey fellas I was reading one of Markus's articles on short burst cycling and was very interested by it. Does anyone have more indepth info on it. Im thinking about giving it a shot and want to know the details.
Thanks

ive never had much luck with cycles under 8 weeks in length

[Pinnacle]

Priming! A must before starting cycles...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231569

[Pinnacle]

Is that enough info, or would you like me to run the cycle for you too? :-)

[Pinnacle]

Priming by Warrior..

Priming 101 - Preparing for an AAS Growth Spurt

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Priming 101 - Preparing for an AAS Growth Spurt
by Warrior, *******************.com Forums

Frequently people research how to better layout an AAS cycle, as well as proper post cycle therapy for making the transition back to natural. Unfortunately, many neglect another component for a successful AAS cycle - maximizing the time spent on - pre cycle therapy, better know as Priming.

What is priming?

Priming is a prepatory method used to better prepare the body before starting an AAS cycle. The goal of priming is to make the system very sensitive to a flood of androgens, food and intense training. Most advanced bodybuilders (especially those that compete) know how responsive the body can be right after leaning up - such as the growth spurts that are frequently experienced after a competition... with or without AAS.

If done correctly, priming will surprise you by very quick and dramatic results. In my opinion, priming should be done before every cycle - no matter the athlete's previous cycle experience. Because of the quicker results, cycle duration could also be cut back to make coming off and restoring proper HPTA function easier. The basic principle here is to create an environment where you body is very responsive to increased calories and your mind feels pent up and ready to move heavy weights.

Note by Marcus300: "Priming opens the growth window and creates a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow at a very fast rate, i can not express enough how important this process is, this will enhance any cycle and hugh gains can be produce and maintained by this simple process of priming (carb cycling), just to note when priming dont be hard on the body and try and force the environment a slow steady carb cycling so the body doesn't react in starvation mode is what is needed, 3-5 days low carb to 1 day high carbs is a general rule.

"When the priming is done your body is ready to direct everything into the muscle cells, because of the priming the cells on the muscles are very excitable and everything is directed into the muscle cells instead of fat cells, so if you incorporate the priming so it ends when a cycle starts and the intense training everything is directed into growth of muscle tissue and the growth spurt starts, in nature growth occurs in spurts and we are no different babies and teenagers all grow in spurts we cant carry on growing for a long period of time our bodies just dont work like that no matter what we put into them, so take advantage of the window and start a cycle when priming ends, because of the spurt only last for a few wks a short cycle fits nicely into it but longer cycle can be used it depends on the individual and how good he responds to AAS, i normally only grow for the first half of cycles so short cycling works great for me,

"The cycle needs to be designed around some form of cycle history and use what works best for you, looking over the cycle history will tell you which compounds work and which ones your body responds well to with little sides, design a cycle with this in mind."

How should you prime?

Priming involves the correct dietary and training techniques that get you to drop fat but no muscle. Basically, you diet down slow enough to simply lose some fat - no muscle should be lost. The training should not be so intense that you risk overtraining; in fact, a general maintenance routine would be best in most cases. The diet should allow your body to become sensitive to carbohydrates and other macronutrients. Generally, a cyclic ketogenic diet (CKD) works wonders - staying low carb for 3-4 days maximum, then carbing up. Again, the goal is to lean up but preserve current LBM.

Here is an example split that I have used for successful priming:

Day 1: Moderate Carb/Cardio
Day 2: Low Carb/Upperbody Supersets
Day 3: Low Carb/Lowerbody Supersets
Day 4: Low Carb/Cardio
Day 5: Low Carb/Full Body Workout (begin carb load after evening training)
Day 6: Carb Load/No training
Day 7: Moderate Carb/Power Training (Squat/Deads/Bench)
Repeat

How much cardio you do and how low you take your calories, is determined by your LBM and what you have learned about your metabolism and personal limitations.

The last 4-5 days before the cycle starts should be low carb. On the day you carb up - you should begin the cycle. Testosterone and most of it's popular deriatives will make this carb load very effective - and glycogen supercompensation should occur very quickly... especially if you use short esters or frontload longer esters - to get blood levels up quickly. After this point your body will remain very responsive to the cycle and you should begin training hard - drop sets, rest-pause... go intense! You should feel ready for it. As always - keep a training log to maximize the growth window.

Here are the results of a priming period I did (based on the 7-day CKD example):
Starting weight: 248.2 Target weight: 225.0

Week 1: Depleted to: 237.0 Loaded to: 244.8
Week 2: Depleted to: 235.5 Loaded to: 243.2
Week 3: Depleted to: 234.8 Loaded to: 242.1
Week 4: Depleted to: 233.4 Loaded to: 244.0 (salty carb load - wife made a big pot of soup! )
Week 5: Depleted to: 231.8 Loaded to: 239.2
Week 6: Depleted to: 229.6 Loaded to: 241.0
Week 7: Depleted to: 229.2 Loaded to: 240.5
Week 8: Depleted to: 227.9 Loaded to: 240.0
Week 9: Depleted to: 226.6 Loaded to: 237.2
Week 10: a slow ride down to 225. Once I hit that, I consider the prime over and the window wide open. Physcially: strength has improved or sustained. Mentally: I am ready to move some heavy weights again - and ditch some of this damn cardio

NOTE: Carb Loading - if you haven't ran a CKD before, remember that you need to deplete glycogen during the week so you can get the proper response from the carb loads. Be carefull of total calorie intake - if you go low carb, but eat too much - this will effect the depletion phase. During the carb load, stick to protein and carb food sources... if you have a craving to curb that is also high in fat, the best time to indulge is within the first several hours of the carb load - studies show fat gain during this time is very low... the body is more interested in replenishing itself than it is in storing fat. As you advance through the carb load - high fat food are more likely to be stored.

How long should the priming period last?

Proper priming should last about 6-8 weeks precycle. If done correctly and long enough, your body will be very responsive - you should feel physically pent up and ready from the priming period - you should be mentally and physically prepared to move some heavy weights and put in 100% effort in the gym.

Are any ancillary drugs helpful for priming?

I have found Proviron and (drum roll) Bromocriptine to be helpful. Proviron helps to support natural testosterone levels during a calorie restricted diet; bromocriptine helps support proper metabolism and hormone levels to trick your body from trying to put a stopper on fat loss. An important word on Bromo: taper up and only take it in the mornings to avoid uncomfortable side effects. Exogenous insulin can help carb loads - I feel filled out quicker and stronger the day after...

By Marcus300: "Growth Hormone is of great benefit, it should be run at a low-dose during priming, and when the cycle starts and the intense training the dose of GH should be high for that individual, all these growth factors all work together in producing new muscle tissue gains, ive done my own personal studies with GH and priming and different ways of cycling and the GH is of great benefit in pushing new boundaries of growth while the growth spurt is open.

"GH is a wonderful and remarkable hormone, its basically a lipolytic it burns fat while supporting the immune system and prevents bone loss and supports the retention of lean body mass, it other words in time it makes you big and ripped and transforms your physic,when you start GH therapy it causes a shift in the metabolism where the body tries to burn alot more fatty acids than glucose, this benefit is sometimes mild but over time strips the fat away from the muscle, now for the other effect GH as on the body it increases amino acid uptake by muscles and can build lean muscle tissue, so what happens especially if your a bodybuilder and training and eating like one is you start to increase in lean body mass even more so if AAS are implement aswell so an increase in LBM which in turn changes the rate of body fat is burnt due to the LBM increasing, so in time major changes in the bodys compostion are notice even with no alteration on the diet, so just think if the right cycle and diet was done with GH the body changes put all this with the priming and designed cycle and you have everything you need to achieve your goals

"Now the dose what is need to transform the body is something ive discovered over the years, this is were i went wrong for years using too little of amount of GH, all i used to recieve was fat loss and slight condition, A former Mr O's camp at the time said i was doing it all wrong and they showed me and made me understand what i needed to do to change my body totally, nowadays ive found what works 100% for me, its a good solid prime and create the anabolic window for muscle then i start a short cycle weather heavy/light or modertae put this together with a very intense training program and diet and incorporate GH at a muscle building dose and the body changes very quickly,

"Sides with GH are bad if your a sufferer, carpel tunnel syndrome is murder but at least you know the GH you are taking is real, what i found is to run a maintenance dose of gh during the prime and slowly build the dose up and when you stop the prime and start the cycle and hit the food,training and AAS increase the GH its not as bad if you run it for a few wks before and steadily up the dose for the start of cycle."

Are any non-pharmaceutical ancillaries helpful for priming?

A multi vitamin/mineral is always good practice while on a macro-restrive diet... to help fill nutritional holes. Extra Vitamin C can also help deter flu symptoms and keep you from falling ill during an important training cycle... I will usually take somewhere between 4-8 grams of vitamin C per day to support a healthy immune system during any important training cycle. Getting sick can mess everything up...

Taking a healthy dose of the essential BCAA's helps to deter overtraining and keep you from losing muscle during dieting - or possibly remain progressive in your strength training. Studies show that it's harder to overtrain while taking in >10 grams of the essential BCAA's daily. I find 10 grams preworkout has a substantial effect on strength retention/gains and mental focus while on a CKD primer.

When you stay low-carb your body starts to produce less of the digestive enzymes responsible for carbohydrate metabolism - this can cause bad gas when carb loading. In particular, a low carb phase results in less production of the enzyme Amylase. To help this, you could take digestive enzymes to aid proper digestion.

The great Charles Poliquin has been quoted to suggort the idea of high-dose glutamine as a post workout sugar replacement for those needing to drop some bodyfat. The idea of mega dosing glutamine is debatable... but I have used it with success. Usually during the depletion week - my post workout shake is one banana and about 30-40 grams of glutamine.

Caffeine and other thermogenics are an absolute help when CKD priming. They keep you moving when after a few days on low carb and they help depress appetite. During the carb loads, they can also help keep you from feeling tired from all the incoming starches and sugars; however I usually use the carb load day as a detox from caffeine-containing sups and drinks.

[VWbug66]

gsx..
yeah i was wanting to know more about the short cycles.
thanks pinnacle for the provided info.

Pinnacle:
has yourself ran short cycles? if so, what did the cycles look like?
hell yeah thats enough info, thanks again for generous input

[boondockSAINT]

I finished PCT on a 6 week Prop/Tren cycle and my results were phenomenal. Check the members cycle results board.

[Pinnacle]

gsx..
yeah i was wanting to know more about the short cycles.
thanks pinnacle for the provided info.

Pinnacle:
has yourself ran short cycles? if so, what did the cycles look like?
hell yeah thats enough info, thanks again for generous input

I've ran countless 6 week cycles, but I only experimented with one HIGH DOSE burst.

I really don't want to post the doses of that cycle. I don't want to give any young readers bright ideas that WILL cause them harm.
Lets say it was well over 5g weekly.

[VWbug66]

geezuz, i wasnt even close to that(when i was thinking what high doses were around) damn. was that cycle a good one or what? i was thinking of just a prop only 5-6 wker thinking 300mg eod for the first time burster..

[Pinnacle]

geezuz, i wasnt even close to that(when i was thinking what high doses were around) damn. was that cycle a good one or what? i was thinking of just a prop only 5-6 wker thinking 300mg eod for the first time burster..

6 week prop cycle is fine. Just have a tight diet and train like you have a gun to your head everytime you enter the gym, and you'll grow


I ran many 6 week prop/anadrol, cycles with great success
Many 6 week suspension cycles as well

Key is priming your body for the cycle. Diet down and catch the rebound effect.

[VWbug66]

you have been pm'd pinnacle

[eljugo16]

pinnacle thanks a lot bro this is exactly what i was looking for... im mid cycle right now but will def give this a shot on next. Is your pct the same length as a regular cycle?

[IronMonkey]

Hmm, I'm really debating on splitting my cycle now into two 6-weekers, but not sure what I want to do as far as the second 6-weeker. I'll have T.Prop/Masteron/Anavar for my first 6-weeker, and T.Prop/Winstrol left over for my second 6-weeker. I'm thinking of adding Tren, but I'm not sure if I want to shut myself down that hard. Oh, decisions, decisions!!

[VWbug66]

those 2 cycles would be good, what dose wwere u thinking about doing?

[IronMonkey]

Nothing crazy. Probably something like this:

1-6 T.Prop 100 to 150mg/day
1-6 Masteron 100mg/day
1-4 Anavar 80mg/day

As far as the second cycle, I'm not sure. Probably the same dosage of Prop, weeks 1-4 with 100mg/day Winstrol (oral), and not sure on the 3rd compound. I was toying with the idea of maybe a short-estered Boldenone, but who knows. I've been outta the game for about 18 months now, so I need to get in touch with my sources as to what's available for me these days...

If you'll notice, those doses may be high, but they're not crazy high like some propose. Although these have been typical doses for me in the past I'm going to test these doses out on myself, because (a) I've been clean for 18 months now, and (b) every cycle I've done in the past, I've always seen ALL of my gains in the first 6 weeks, sometimes less. The 6-8 weeks following in my older cycles, I've really seen little to no change at all, and I've always assumed that it was good to keep running it that long to "keep" my gains, but I'm wondering if I ran a cycle or two like the one I listed above, how it might go for me...

[eljugo16]

Nothing crazy. Probably something like this:

1-6 T.Prop 100 to 150mg/day
1-6 Masteron 100mg/day
1-4 Anavar 80mg/day

As far as the second cycle, I'm not sure. Probably the same dosage of Prop, weeks 1-4 with 100mg/day Winstrol (oral), and not sure on the 3rd compound. I was toying with the idea of maybe a short-estered Boldenone, but who knows. I've been outta the game for about 18 months now, so I need to get in touch with my sources as to what's available for me these days...

If you'll notice, those doses may be high, but they're not crazy high like some propose. Although these have been typical doses for me in the past I'm going to test these doses out on myself, because (a) I've been clean for 18 months now, and (b) every cycle I've done in the past, I've always seen ALL of my gains in the first 6 weeks, sometimes less. The 6-8 weeks following in my older cycles, I've really seen little to no change at all, and I've always assumed that it was good to keep running it that long to "keep" my gains, but I'm wondering if I ran a cycle or two like the one I listed above, how it might go for me...

i think the doses might be too low according to what i'v read up but im not sure.

[Pinnacle]

Nothing crazy. Probably something like this:

1-6 T.Prop 100 to 150mg/day
1-6 Masteron 100mg/day
1-4 Anavar 80mg/day

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Your doses are fine for a 6 week cycle considering you've been clean for as long as you have, so you'll respond really well.

The 4-5 week high dose, burst cycles are a totally different animal all together and are not needed for most people . THey are basically used to break you out of a plateau.

Anyway, you'll notice you'll recover really well on a 6 week prop cycle, hence allowing you to get back on much more quickly for another burst of added mass. And mass is what it's all about.

[Pinnacle]

but I'm not sure if I want to shut myself down that hard. Oh, decisions, decisions!!

Don't use highly suppressive drugs on 6 week cycle as you'll be defeating the purpose. The idea is to recover quickly from those type cycles.

[marcus300]

Don't use highly suppressive drugs on 6 week cycle as you'll be defeating the purpose. The idea is to recover quickly from those type cycles.

Have to agree, using drugs what are hard to recover from will kind of defeat the object, many times they are not needed because if the prime is correctly done and the diet and training is in order for the growth cycle in many cases you wont need highly suppressive drugs, i do know some people who run them with burst cycles but i wouldnt advice them after the experiences ive had and many bb's i know unless your cycle history screams at you to tell you to.

[IronMonkey]

Don't use highly suppressive drugs on 6 week cycle as you'll be defeating the purpose. The idea is to recover quickly from those type cycles.

That was exactly my reasoning as to why I was wanting to avoid Tren. I love the stuff dearly, and it's been a long while since I've touched it, but for your same reasons, that's why I want to avoid it. Not sure what I want to add to my second cycle. NPP's got an awfully long detection time, but I've yet to try a short-estered Boldenone...

[Pinnacle]

Have to agree, using drugs what are hard to recover from will kind of defeat the object, many times they are not needed because if the prime is correctly done and the diet and training is in order for the growth cycle in many cases you wont need highly suppressive drugs, i do know some people who run them with burst cycles but i wouldnt advice them after the experiences ive had and many bb's i know unless your cycle history screams at you to tell you to.

Hey sweet pea

It only took you a f*cking day to show up in the thread. Your slippin'. Don't let it happen again!

[marcus300]

That was exactly my reasoning as to why I was wanting to avoid Tren. I love the stuff dearly, and it's been a long while since I've touched it, but for your same reasons, that's why I want to avoid it. Not sure what I want to add to my second cycle. NPP's got an awfully long detection time, but I've yet to try a short-estered Boldenone...

Use compounds what you have grown with and respond best to. design the cycle around your cycle history.

[IronMonkey]

i think the doses might be too low according to what i'v read up but im not sure.

It's possible, but like I said, I've always blown up on my first 5-6 weeks on cycle, then gained NOTHING afterwards. I'm curious to see what happens when I cut my cycle to 6 weeks instead of the usual 10-14 weeks.

Besides, what I listed is still 2g to 2.3g's of gear. While that's not 4g's+, that's still a fair amount of gear, especially since I haven't touched any AAS for 18 months now...

[Pinnacle]

That was exactly my reasoning as to why I was wanting to avoid Tren. I love the stuff dearly, and it's been a long while since I've touched it, but for your same reasons, that's why I want to avoid it. Not sure what I want to add to my second cycle. NPP's got an awfully long detection time, but I've yet to try a short-estered Boldenone...

Keep the short 6 week cycles simple! Test and an oral are all that's needed. Trust me, I've ran countless 6 week cycles over the years. Sometimes less is more......

[marcus300]

Hey sweet pea

It only took you a f*cking day to show up in the thread. Your slippin'. Don't let it happen again!

I know, heavy night!!!

Thanks for posting my article,

[IronMonkey]

Keep the short 6 week cycles simple! Test and an oral are all that's needed. Trust me, I've ran countless 6 week cycles over the years. Sometimes less is more......

True. I may just up my T.Prop dosage on the second cycle...

[eljugo16]

It's possible, but like I said, I've always blown up on my first 5-6 weeks on cycle, then gained NOTHING afterwards. I'm curious to see what happens when I cut my cycle to 6 weeks instead of the usual 10-14 weeks.

Besides, what I listed is still 2g to 2.3g's of gear. While that's not 4g's+, that's still a fair amount of gear, especially since I haven't touched any AAS for 18 months now...

your absolutely right bro, i totally skipped over the 18month part... you will def pack on some size

[legobricks]

EXTREMLY interesting read!!!

Im def. going to be trying the priming for next cycle, it makes perfect sense!

Thank you Marcus and Pin!

[legobricks]

Great post, lets try to keep this bumped!

Has lots of good info in it not just for cycling but also for dieting.

[Pinnacle]

EXTREMLY interesting read!!!

Im def. going to be trying the priming for next cycle, it makes perfect sense!

Thank you Marcus and Pin!

The more you know, the more you grow! :-)

[Pinnacle]

Great post, lets try to keep this bumped!

Has lots of good info in it not just for cycling but also for dieting.

In this thread I just posted a very good article on carb cycling....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=345944

[llrockyll]

definitely wanna give this a try. i gotta cut anyway. pinnacle if i cut on a TRT dose then jumped on a burst cycle would i still achieve the same results?


p.s. is this pinnacle from SSB? i heard u were going threw somethings. hope everything turned out ok.