First cycle ready what ya think

[bodybuilder1107]

ok i have my gear and my first cycle has been planned through alot of research and deliberation towards safety while getting the best results
i am 23 weighing 240 at 12 percent body fat at 6 foot 1 inch. cycle is as follows:

Cycle
wk 1-12 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-12 nolvadex at 10mg a day to battle sides
wk1-4 d-bol at 50 mg a day spread out to kickstart cycle

PCT(starting 2 weeks after last injection)
day 1-30
.25mg of l-dex a day
100mg Clomid a day
20mg nolva a day

thats the cycle should i adjust and when should i kick in the l-dex only if i have gyno sides or should it be ran everyday from day one to be safe? Also need a good liver cleaner(milk thistle?) not sure

[NATE0406]

cycle looks good. very well planned out. only run the ldex if you start to see issues with gyno then start it up. pct looks fine as well. enjoy.

[Big]

Looks like you did your homework.
Liv52 is a good liver sup.

[DSM4Life]

I don't like the d-bol. I said it a million times and i stand by it , test only for first but do as you see fit.

[Phate]

liv52 is a good liver aid, milk thistle has not been proven to help the liver at all, but you can run it if you want

running the ldex all the way through is a personal choice, i'd just wait and if you get bloating then run it

cycle looks good, whats your diet like, i was gonna post my beginner test cycle thread but it looks like you've researched a good bit already

damn, three of you guys posted before i could get mine finished

[bodybuilder1107]

i took your advice big and learned the newbie laws, i did alot of planning and just wanna stay safe so you think no l-dex unless i hit gyno problems

[Big]

yep, use only if needed.

[Big]

I don't like the d-bol. I said it a million times and i stand by it , test only for first but do as you see fit.

Personally I too prefer test only for a first cycle, but I know he's been researching and weighing the pro's and con's.

[bodybuilder1107]

yeah ive been researching to see how they work and to understand how they convert and then what they do after that, i think ive got it also what should i run the l-dex at a day if i hit gyno and till the signs go away + a few days to be sure right?

my diet isnt planned yet as im still cutting ill be designing that next ive still got a month or so left of cutting, but i stay clean with chix breast, brown rice, wheatbread, etc, no salty stuff and 2 gallons h2o a day this is fun as i own a construction company so im in the heat all day to train at night, wish me luck

[DSM4Life]

Personally I too prefer test only for a first cycle, but I know he's been researching and weighing the pro's and con's.

This is a PERFECT example.

I first tried test e and loved it, great results and no sides.

I then tried mixing dbol for a 2nd cycle and guess what ? It killed my cycle. D-bool is just not my thing. I could hardly even get my cals in on that crap. So now i know d-bol and i don't agree. If i had started out the way you are i would have never known which compound caused the problem and i could have possible thought it was the test e and given up a compound that works the best for me.

[bodybuilder1107]

why no d-bol? not worth it or the do one thing at a time to see how you react for sides deal? i just want the best gains i naturally grow big and fast ive been accused of using allready and never have, i was always the big guy in school but its time to step it up now, you guys have been a huge help

[im83931]

I opened this and expected to see another 1st cycle with tren on winnie only.
You did your homework bro. Cycle looks good.

[NATE0406]

i dont personally like dbol. i have only used it once and i prolly wont use it again. waste imo. but looks like you have done a good job in researching and preparing yourself. so if you want to run it i dont see any issue with it.

[im83931]

You can always save the dbol for the second cycle. I would frontload the test instead.

[DSM4Life]

I wouldn't even front load it.

wk 1-12 Test E at 500 mg split between 2 shots
wk 1-12 nolvadex at 10mg a day to battle sides

Sounds perfect to me.

[jc95605]

I used dbol as well and hated it. I would run the test only and if your wanting to "kickstart" the cycle have you read about frontloading? Just throwing it out there.

[bodybuilder1107]

allright ill do some more homework on the d-bol i understand what you guys r saying, this stuff is actually pretty inpressive when you understand how it converts with the halflife and the sister life it truly is super human isnt it?

[jc95605]

damn you beat me!

[bodybuilder1107]

i missed the whole frontloading thing im not sure what it is by common sense ill assume you take a big ammount at the beginning to flush the system

[DSM4Life]

i missed the whole frontloading thing im not sure what it is by common sense ill assume you take a big ammount at the beginning to flush the system

You can do more research on it. I personally again dont feel for a first timer that its a good idea. I'd save this for later on when you start stacking.

[bodybuilder1107]

yeah ill definately do some more homework im cutting so i still have a month or two wanna start at 9 percent bodyfat or so

[jc95605]

bingo. Theres a thread somewhere on it that breaks it down. Something like if you start it normall only 29% is in your system/effectiveness. The test doesn't hit 96% until wk 7 or 8, by then your already halfway done with yout cycle! If you frontload it the first week is 79% and the second week is 96% from then on. I'd use the search button and try and find it. I looked for it a few days ago but i couldn't find it. If anybody finds it can you post or send me the link. I just wanted to throw that out there for something for you to consider.

[bodybuilder1107]

ill check it out and thanks for all the helk should the l-dex .25 mg everyday if i get gyno or bloat?

[Phate]

here ya go, i this should help with some of the frontloading questions, just look through it and read what you want, most you probably already know

first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

Diet

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

All You Need To Know About Gyno

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

[jc95605]

I used arimidex as well and that stuff works awesomely! .25mgs ed or eod should be sufficent. A test e cycle usually doesn't give you much bloat if any so that dosage of adex should be enough. Just have it on hand and use it when needed.

[jc95605]

Man phate, you always have the links we need. Thanks bro.

[bodybuilder1107]

allright im on it im alittle nervous on the first shot any tips, im not a needle kinda guy but im sure after a few its fine but dont wanna shake to bad and inject into my head or something lol jk

[Phate]

Man phate, you always have the links we need. Thanks bro.

thanks, i think i'm gonna ask admin for my title to be Link King

[Phate]

allright im on it im alittle nervous on the first shot any tips, im not a needle kinda guy but im sure after a few its fine but dont wanna shake to bad and inject into my head or something lol jk

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=346048

there you go, everything you need to know about injections

[jc95605]

I could see that. It'll catch on. That wasn't the link i was talking about tho. I'll look again for it and paste it in here if i find it. I really wanna find it now!

[jc95605]

Look at that another link, lol. See told ya. Where are you planning on injecting at bodybuilder?

[Phate]

I could see that. It'll catch on. That wasn't the link i was talking about tho. I'll look again for it and paste it in here if i find it. I really wanna find it now!

this one maybe

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=frontload

[Bulldog1115]

Why dont u try this:

1-4 Test Enth 250 mg/w
4-12 Test Enth 500 mg/w
1-4 Test Propinate 100 mg/EOD {total of 300 mg/w}

This will give u the kickstart you want with less bloat!

[jc95605]

Hmm.....I never saw that one. Thats a pretty good one. Man phate your quick on the draw....but so am I!! No, but i searched again and found it this time. Take a look and tell me what you think phate?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=181575

[bodybuilder1107]

i will be injecting on the quad and delts cant reach my butt lol

[Phate]

Hmm.....I never saw that one. Thats a pretty good one. Man phate your quick on the draw....but so am I!! No, but i searched again and found it this time. Take a look and tell me what you think phate?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=181575

nice, i'll remember that one for later, lol

[jc95605]

I don't think he'll like that bulldog, too many injections for a 1st cycle. If he does then i think it would work. But then again, he'll be taking more test for the first 4wks. Sounds something like frontloading to me. Why doesn't he just up the test e that he has? He doesn't have to get anymore test he can just use what he has?

[NATE0406]

phate your links are magical. lol

[Phate]

i will be injecting on the quad and delts cant reach my butt lol

you should try pecs too, fun injection, can't reach your glute, you need to stretch dude, thats horrible, lol

[Phate]

phate your links are magical. lol

thanks bro, i try, though i hate it when they don't work, then i feel retarded