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    a Newbie's first cycle questions

    I am about to start my first Cycle, done my research but i just thought to check with more experienced guys, i live in egypt, so steroids here are perfectly legal over the counter meds, so they are really easy to get.

    i am going to do a 12 weeks cycle of testosterone 500 mg a week ( i've been told i don't need deca for my first cycle), Nolvadex 10 mg a day, for pct ill use Nolvadex 20 mg a day, clomid 50 mg a day for two weeks post cycle,

    its a simple cycle but any comments will be welcomed

    also for the teste should i use Sustanon or Primoteston (testosterone enanthate )
    I am leaning toward Primoteston because it seems that Sustanon will need too frequent injections

    And should I use Dianabol 20 mg a day for the first few week to accelerate muscle growth?

    thanx guys

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    Age , height, weight ,training experience ?

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    Most dont recommend Deca for a first cycle. But the test E is a great first cycle. Also you may ad DBol if you like for the first 4 weeks

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    stats?

    seems like the basic bread and butter cycle, gains will be good if you are ready to be on cycle and your diet/training are in check

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    age 24/ training experience 2 years continous training/height 5.9/ weight 235 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92whitelx View Post
    Most dont recommend Deca for a first cycle. But the test E is a great first cycle. Also you may ad DBol if you like for the first 4 weeks
    i wouldnt recomend the dbol ..lets see how his body reacts to the test 1st



    what kind of test are you running?


    also i would strech the pct out longer than 2 weeks

    damn...must feel good living in a country where gear is leagal

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    nothing wrong with dbol as a kickstart for a first cycle.

    pct should be 4 weeks minimum.

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    dbol and test would be good.. i think.. just make sure you keep ur injections 2x a week like mon thursday.. to keep blood lvs more stable... and split ur dbol tabs up through out the day because it has a short life.

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    try 30 mg Dbol man .and liquidex insted of nolva

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    thanx guys i will stretch the pct to 4 weeks , probably go with test enanthate , and yes its great to live in a country where this stuff is legalized as you know u won't get screwed in the black market buying fakes, cheap 2, but remember that the potential for abuse by idiots is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberentity View Post
    thanx guys i will stretch the pct to 4 weeks , probably go with test enanthate, and yes its great to live in a country where this stuff is legalized as you know u won't get screwed in the black market buying fakes, cheap 2, the 250 mg test Ampoule costs 5 egp which is about one dollar, but remember that the potential for abuse by idiots is great.
    edit out price

    btw, i wrote a test only thing a while ago if you want me to pm it to you or whatever, alot of the info you already know but has stuff about getting rid of gyno and different pcts and diet stuff if you want to read over it, just a thought

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    nothing is wrong with dbol ..but a sa precaution i wouldnt advise him to do it b/c if something happens he dosent know if its the test or the dbol thats messin him up

    a test only cycle is a good 1st cycle...and if he does want a kick start i personaly would recomend tbol..its less toxic and holds less water than dbol

    but thats jus my opinion

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    btw, i wrote a test only thing a while ago if you want me to pm it to you or whatever, alot of the info you already know but has stuff about getting rid of gyno and different pcts and diet stuff if you want to read over it, just a thought[/QUOTE]

    thnx that would be great, removed the price by the way

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    5'9" and 235, what is your body fat%?

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    last time i measured my body fat percentage a couple of months ago it was 16%

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    Test Beginner cycle info

    here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
    first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

    Diet

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

    only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

    1-12 test e 500mg/week
    1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

    take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

    split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

    if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

    btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

    Test Enth
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

    Dianabol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

    Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


    Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

    All You Need To Know About Gyno

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    there ya go, good luck and great gains, anything else just ask

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    What do you know Phate posted links, hmmm.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by phate186 View Post
    Test Beginner cycle info

    here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
    first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

    Diet

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

    only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

    1-12 test e 500mg/week
    1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

    take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

    split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

    if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

    btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

    Test Enth
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

    Dianabol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

    Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


    Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

    All You Need To Know About Gyno

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    there ya go, good luck and great gains, anything else just ask

    Thanx phate ,you've been a great help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    5'9" and 235, what is your body fat%?

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    it was 16% bro

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    OTC test, man i am jealous

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