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    What should i take??

    I fight MMA and im looking to bulk a bit and would like something that would preferably add good strength. i dont want someting that will kill cardio as its very important.. I was told EQ, enanthianate or anavar ...possible test250...PLease help as your advice was to drop the tren A...
    im 6'1 , 180, my fight weight is 170. Looking to add 10 lbs.

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    whats your age and bf%, also, describe your training, does it involve weight lifting as well as MMA training or what?

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    im 27, my BF % is around 13% (actually not quite sure)

    yes i weight train/circut train in the morning and train MMA/Brazillian jiu jitsu at night..

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    do you get tested before fights or randomly?

    how long before your next fight?

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    nope no tests....i may fight june28th...but that card looks weak, so i may not be fighting for a few months..BTW i also compete in grappling tournaments regularly..like every 3 months where cardio and stamina are essential..i was told EQ is good for that, but much like everything ive hears it has turned out to be BS..

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    make sure you have time because a good cycle is 12 weeks plus 4 weeks of pct

    here is a thread i wrote that outlines everything you need to know about a test only first cycle, and yes test only is the best first cycle in my, and almost everyone's opinion

    the most important part of this is diet so post your diet and we'll help you with it, and READ ALL THE LINKS IN THE POST, some like the slingshot method are like 20 pages so you don't have to read through all of it, but all the stuff on AS read 2-3x to make sure you know it, anyway, here ya go

    Test Beginner cycle info

    here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
    first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

    Diet

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

    only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

    1-12 test e 500mg/week
    1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

    take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

    split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

    if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

    btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

    Test Enth
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

    Dianabol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

    Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


    Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

    All You Need To Know About Gyno

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

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    Dude...thank you so much...ill be sure to take your advice and read through this stuff carefully.
    my diet is this
    breakfast : 2 pieces of whole grain toast, 2 eggs, fruit. protein shake
    morning weight routine mainly circut training
    immediatly following : protien shake
    lunch: baby spinach salad, boneless chicken breast/tuna
    snack: fruit/baby spinach/ maybe something bad=/
    MMA / grappling training
    dinner: usually lunch repeated with smaller protein shake..
    granted i usually mix it up as best i can, but sometimes its hard ..

    ok...Rip away
    BTW the PCT chemicals and anti-estrogen chemicals i dont ahve much experience with and not sure how to acquire other then asking my supplier..any suggestions?
    Last edited by slic2121; 06-05-2008 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slic2121 View Post
    Dude...thank you so much...ill be sure to take your advice and read through this stuff carefully.
    my diet is this
    breakfast : 2 pieces of whole grain toast, 2 eggs, fruit. protein shake
    morning weight routine mainly circut training
    immediatly following : protien shake
    lunch: baby spinach salad, boneless chicken breast/tuna
    snack: fruit/baby spinach/ maybe something bad=/
    MMA / grappling training
    dinner: usually lunch repeated with smaller protein shake..
    granted i usually mix it up as best i can, but sometimes its hard ..

    ok...Rip away
    BTW the PCT chemicals and anti-estrogen chemicals i dont ahve much experience with and not sure how to acquire other then asking my supplier..any suggestions?

    a couple threads in there outline pct and you can get all the chems from ARR, the flashing red banner at the top of the screen that saids anti-estrogens, vials, etcs

    that diet needs some major work, wayyyy too many protein shakes and the nutrient timing is off

    here are two diets that i cut with, keep the protein about the same, though you can add a shake in if you want, up the carbs on cycle to about 400(good carbs, sweet potatoes, lentils, oatmeal etcs go to diet section and there is a thread on this called LIST OF GOOD CARBS) and keep the fats around the same

    DIET HELP

    here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

    1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

    2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

    3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

    4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

    5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
    a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
    b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

    6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

    that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

    Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

    WORKOUT

    PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

    PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

    meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Before Bed Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

    DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5



    DIET 2

    Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

    Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

    Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
    beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

    macros:Calories: 2615
    Protein: 335=51%
    Carbs: 111=17%
    Fats: 74= 25%



    hope this helps bro

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    it more than helps man.....i guess my eyes have been opened...gonna print out your posts, its gonan take me a minute to process all of this but ill make damn sure i get it down...Your insight is awsome! i couldnt have asked for more..
    Thanks again man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slic2121 View Post
    it more than helps man.....i guess my eyes have been opened...gonna print out your posts, its gonan take me a minute to process all of this but ill make damn sure i get it down...Your insight is awsome! i couldnt have asked for more..
    Thanks again man!
    no prob man, anything else you need don't hesitate to ask, i'll help you in any way i can since you've decided to do this the right way and are willing to research

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    ill keep in touch..take care bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phate186 View Post
    make sure you have time because a good cycle is 12 weeks plus 4 weeks of pct

    here is a thread i wrote that outlines everything you need to know about a test only first cycle, and yes test only is the best first cycle in my, and almost everyone's opinion

    the most important part of this is diet so post your diet and we'll help you with it, and READ ALL THE LINKS IN THE POST, some like the slingshot method are like 20 pages so you don't have to read through all of it, but all the stuff on AS read 2-3x to make sure you know it, anyway, here ya go

    Test Beginner cycle info

    here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
    first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

    Diet

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

    only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

    1-12 test e 500mg/week
    1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

    take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

    split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

    if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

    btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

    Test Enth
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

    Dianabol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

    Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


    Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

    All You Need To Know About Gyno

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck
    Phate186...takin the kids to school. Excellent post and advice for the guy. Beats the hell out of doing the research yourself. You were feelin generous today eh...

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