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    Unhappy nolvadex before, during or after

    hey guys have been reading alot about preventing gynocomastia there are so many opinions i'm doing my first cycle with sust 250 250mg shots every 5 days now what want to know is do i take the nolv before during or after cause i don't want bitchies my mate who has used said to do my course for 12 weeks and take the nolv for 2 weeks after stopping my cycle

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    Every 5 days is a terrible injection schedule for sustanon . Minimum would be twice per week if not EOD is even better because of the short esters in the sust. You will have more side effects spacing hte injectsions 5 days apart. Aside from that if you are very concerned about gyno get some arimidex and take it if you feel anything strange with your nipples. Nolva is not that strong for fighting gyno.

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    Thumbs up

    thanks mate

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    Thumbs up gyno

    sust every 3days forget the half day bullcrap......preferably EOD at a total of 500mg a six day period.......do not use nilvadexbecause of the deca in the sust......get an AI from the bourd sponsor and start it 2 weeks in 1ml oral ED....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    sust every 3days forget the half day bullcrap......preferably EOD at a total of 500mg a six day period.......do not use nilvadexbecause of the deca in the sust......get an AI from the bourd sponsor and start it 2 weeks in 1ml oral ED....
    because of the deca in the sust? wtf? oh please explain this...

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    bro i thought the testosterone decanoate is not in the same boat as Deca -Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate) two totally different compounds?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by !!!ZeuS!!! View Post
    bro i thought the testosterone decanoate is not in the same boat as Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate) two totally different compounds?????
    Right you are mate
    It puzzles me when some people feel inclined to give advice with no idea what they are talking about.

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    zeus, i have a test only starter cycle guideline i wrote if you would like me to post it, it basically outlines a cycle and gives links to everything you need to know

    the only problem is i wrote it for test enanthate , but aside from that all the other stuff is valid, anyway, just figured i'd give you the option, good luck bro

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    would be great thanks phate

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    here is everything you need, diet, how to cardio, how to run the cycle, everything, happy reseearching, lol

    CARDIO

    cardio is, but the type of cardio is what he's talking about, running is not the best for fat burning

    for low intensity long duration cardio i would use a stationary bike or walk at 3.0-4.0mph on a high incline for 30-50minutes

    for HIIT training i would use a stairstepper, elliptical or stationary bike and do this
    5minutes warm up
    1min at 40-50% of max effort
    30sec at 85-90% max effort
    1min at 40-50% of max effort
    30sec at 85-90% max effort
    continue that for 15-20 minutes or until you can't go any more
    then cool down for 5 minutes

    low intensity will burn more calories from fat but will also burn less total calories as the intensity isn't as high as HIIT

    HIIT training will burn a lower percentage of calories from fat, though not by much, i think the study i read said 10-12% max, but will burn many more calories total and will increase metabolism for up to 24 hours after cardio, this is called the afterburn effect, where you burn extra calories because of an increase in metabolic output

    to give you an estimate i wlll outline one of my cardio routines

    low intensity
    3.2-3.5mph 8%incline on treadmill for 30minutes burns 350cal

    HIIT
    using what i outlined above i burn close to 500cal in 20-25minutes plus the extra that i get afterwards



    DIET HELP

    here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

    1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

    2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

    3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

    4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

    5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
    a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
    b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

    6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

    that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

    Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

    WORKOUT

    PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

    PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

    meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Before Bed Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

    DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5

    Each chicken meal served with a handful of fibrous green veg bringing carbs to approx 200g per day in total.

    DIET 2

    Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

    Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

    Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
    beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

    macros:Calories: 2615
    Protein: 335
    Carbs: 111
    Fats: 74


    TEST BEGINNER CYCLE INFO

    here, i'll lay out some stuff for you,
    first thing, you need to get your diet in check, here is some threads on cutting, lean bulking and pure bulking to give you some info, but you need to post your diet for critiqueing, your wasting your money otherwise

    Diet

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553
    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/calories/calories.html

    only when you have your diet down should you think about cycling, a beginner cycle should look like this

    1-12 test e 500mg/week
    1-4 dbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

    take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

    split your dbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

    if you take the dbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol

    btw, here are the profiles on the AS you will be using so read them and get to know the stuff your putting in your body

    Test Enth
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

    Dianabol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

    Next is your pct, which should begin two weeks after your last test injection and should be a phneedo's pct, whats that you ask? here it is

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    while your at it read this one as well for future cycles

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


    Now for some other important stuff, you need to have some arimidex on hand in case you start getting water retention or gyno, so get some, in fact, read this thread 3x before you start your cycle as it will tell you....

    All You Need To Know About Gyno

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    that should get you read for your cycle, best of luck

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    thanks heaps phate, i think i'll put my cycle back 3-4 weeks so i can get my nolva for pct + arimidex for unwanted titties+ just getting over a bad flu. i'm changing my cycle as you said monday morning 250 mg and then thursday afternoon for 12 weeks.( Q. should i get many sides from a small cycle????) thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by !!!ZeuS!!! View Post
    thanks heaps phate, i think i'll put my cycle back 3-4 weeks so i can get my nolva for pct + arimidex for unwanted titties+ just getting over a bad flu. i'm changing my cycle as you said monday morning 250 mg and then thursday afternoon for 12 weeks.( Q. should i get many sides from a small cycle????) thanks again
    the amount of sides is dependent on alot of things, if you are gyno prone then you will get sides no matter what, also if your diet it horrible then you will get more sides, but if you are not gyno prone and your diet is in check then sides should be minimum and the adex will help alot

    just keep us posted on your cycle and if you have a question ask away or pm for a more direct route, i'm on here everyday, sometimes a couple times a day if i can so i'll answer as quick as possible

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    thanks heaps phate herd your only19 your gonna be worth a fortune by 25 bloke thanks again mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by !!!ZeuS!!! View Post
    thanks heaps phate herd your only19 your gonna be worth a fortune by 25 bloke thanks again mate
    you heard right, and thanks, keep us posted, later bro

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