Hardly any weight gain ?

[FreakofNature23]

Before my cycle of Test E at 500mg a week for 10 weeks, and dbol 30mg a day for 4 weeks. i had gotten my weight up to 198 . the highest ive reached during the cycle was 208 and now 2 weeks after im down to 203 . so all together ive gained 5 pounds does this sound correct ? ..i did notice an extreme increase of strength , all my lifts went up and i did notice as well a a others in a major increase of size in my chest and arms and my legs...so whats the deal? why only 5 pounds.....im currently 5"9 203

[redz]

diet or bunk/underdosed gear are the culprit.

[Phate]

diet or bunk/underdosed gear are the culprit.

agreed^^^ post your diet during cycle and let us critique it

[sm15]

some of it coulda been water weight too

[FreakofNature23]

well even if it was water weight i only went up 10 pounds . ? ..

i ate close to 4000 calories a day .

[DSM4Life]

well even if it was water weight i only went up 10 pounds . ? ..

i ate close to 4000 calories a day .

doesnt matter the calories, it matters whats in the calories.

[FreakofNature23]

Dont get me wrong i did grow in size , but only a 5-6 pound increase after a 10 weeks cycle sounds strange .

[FreakofNature23]

a.m 10 pm Eggs and Turkey Bacon
a.m 12 Whey Shake

2 p.m Shrimp and Pasta
4 P.m Weight Gainer Shake.

6:30 p.m Steak and Potatoes
9 p.m Chicken Breast.

12 a.m Some Oatmeal with Yogurt.

I Basically ate that almost everyday , with a few exceptions.

[redz]

Break down your diet....what did you get your protein from? how much per day?

[DSM4Life]

a.m 10 pm Eggs and Turkey Bacon
a.m 12 Whey Shake

2 p.m Shrimp and Pasta
4 P.m Weight Gainer Shake.

6:30 p.m Steak and Potatoes
9 p.m Chicken Breast.

12 a.m Some Oatmeal with Yogurt.

I Basically ate that almost everyday , with a few exceptions.

I think we found your problem.

[FreakofNature23]

I never really calculated how much exact protein i was getting , i assumed i was getting enough from all the shakes ,eggs, stakes and chicken i was eating .

[redz]

hmm doesnt seem like the diet is that bad. Do you know of anyone else using the same gear as you? do you trust the person you got it from?

[FreakofNature23]

Yah i trust the person i got it from , but i really do not know neone else whos used it . .. DSM whats the problem with the diet ?

[bhamstaff]

not enough carbs, especially breakfast

[FreakofNature23]

charbs from the oatmeal,pasta,potatoes,and shakes no ?

[DSM4Life]

a.m 10 pm Eggs and Turkey Bacon
How many eggs ? How many full/whites only ?
a.m 12 Whey Shake
What are the macros for the shake ?
No carbs in the morning ?

2 p.m Shrimp and Pasta
Regular pasta ? Whole wheat ?

4 P.m Weight Gainer Shake.
why ? Junk, get real food.

6:30 p.m Steak and Potatoes
Ok, hope the steak is lean, taking in with carbs. Also why are you taking in carbs this late in the day when do you work out ?

9 p.m Chicken Breast.
Just by itself ?

12 a.m Some Oatmeal with Yogurt.
I am guessing this is before bed. So you take in almost no carbs all day buy then right before bed you take them in ???


I Basically ate that almost everyday , with a few exceptions.

I think you need to eat smaller meals and spread them out over say 7-8 meals. You also need to balance your fats and carbs throughout the day. Where are your essential fats ?

Diet is key for any goal and i think you need more work. Don't get discouraged just go study up more.

[redz]

you should break down exactly to the exact gram and calorie. It's hard to say if it was a lack of carbs without exact portion sizes etc.

[redz]

I personally eat later in the day a big meal with carbs but I also workout in the evenings.

[10nispro]

You need to research your diet better. It's more than just carbs missing. Your body also needs fat and fiber to regulate better.

This also may be petty to you, but you are going to bed late. You are eating at midnight so I am assuming you are still up at this time. For every hr you are awake after midnight, it takes your 2hrs of sleep to catch up. Your body needs sleep to grow.

[FreakofNature23]

Ok thanks alot guys from the critique , i guess i underestimated diet alot , what percentage do u think it takes up for gaining all ur weight on a cycle ? !! i guess i gotta start countinig all the protein,charbs,fat and calories i intake in a day i guess i just didnt have the time for that .

[FreakofNature23]

Yeh i usually go to bed pretty late , no earlier then 3 oclock , but so does ronnie coleman ever since college.

[10nispro]

Darn, Dsm, you have fast fingers.

[DSM4Life]

Ok thanks alot guys from the critique , i guess i underestimated diet alot , what percentage do u think it takes up for gaining all ur weight on a cycle ? !! i guess i gotta start countinig all the protein,charbs,fat and calories i intake in a day i guess i just didnt have the time for that .

No one has the time for it but we make time. Once you find out what works for you its not so much of a pain in the ass but until then ....

[DSM4Life]

Darn, Dsm, you have fast fingers.

I guess whoring pays off ,

[gixxerboy1]

I eat a ton more at 185lbs

[redz]

For every hr you are awake after midnight, it takes your 2hrs of sleep to catch up. Your body needs sleep to grow.

It certainly does but how does it take 2 horus to make up one after midnight?
I go to bed usually 12:30-1 just because of my work schedule. I get 8 hours and have no problems with that. I have some similar things in my diet, but I also take BCAA and glutamine caps, vits and glutamine powder with shakes.

[FreakofNature23]

So how important is diet , when on a cycle or off a cycle ? compared to excercise , and sleep.

[FreakofNature23]

How many calories should intake at 203 pounds to get bigger ?

[10nispro]

Don't compare yourself with a High level BB'er. Learn to listen to your body. If you think you should be growing more and you know your gear is good, then you first instinct is to look at diet(80% of growth, imo) and then sleep. Body is a great machine when it can fire on all cylinders.

You are do it right, by asking questions, listening with concern and putting it to correct use.

[DSM4Life]

How many calories should intake at 203 pounds to get bigger ?

Diet is EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter if you are on a cycle or not.

Check this out to est your calories :
http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm

Your going to want to get your BF% check as well (most gyms do it for free.) Hopefully they at least use calipers.

[10nispro]

I guess whoring pays off ,

That it does....I almost put hands, but that would have opened up a whole different can of worms.

[FreakofNature23]

well now that im off my cycle , and wanna cut , should i still pound down alot of calories ? how do u guys fit in all these calories ?

[redz]

cutting is different less cals but still need the right mix of good cals and cardio.

[DSM4Life]

well now that im off my cycle , and wanna cut , should i still pound down alot of calories ? how do u guys fit in all these calories ?

You have to see what your maintenance level of calories is then work from there.

That it does....I almost put hands, but that would have opened up a whole different can of worms.

Good hands pay off for me as well.

[10nispro]

Redz...I read some sleep studies on it( I will try to find them) and it has to do with the bodies internal clock. Personnally I think it has to do with, how long your day is, no matter what time you go to sleep.

Freak....What was your bf% when you started your cycle and now what is it?

[FreakofNature23]

it was 13% and now its about 15%

[FreakofNature23]

DSM do u mind PMing me a correct diet to putting on some good mass ?

[Phate]

i have a cutting diet thread i wrote that will help you alot BUT FIRST FIGURE GO FIGURE OUT YOUR MAINTANENCE CALORIE LEVEL SO WE CAN HELP YOU WITH A DIET PLAN

[widescreen]

On a side note, the scale can be deceiving. Don't let the numbers be your only measure of judgement; look for overall changes in physique.