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    Oto
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    Min-Max Test only cycle?

    Looking to do my first cycle...I was going to do a test/deca or test/eq cycle but have been advised on this board not to mix two compounds for my first cycle....this being said i can get my hands on test right now....how long would you run a test only cycle and would you run 500 per shot and one shot a week? Again this is my first cycle...would 8 weeks be sufficient to make it worth it?

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    stats?

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    31-Male-200lbs

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    bf%
    training exp?

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    dont know bf...would guess maybe 18-20..been training for a couple of years...was 272 and got down to 182...started to hit the weights hard and put on almost 20 lbs of mass.......

    could I gain more naturally?....probably could....

    this is why im not looking to go full blown cycle and just do a small test only to see what happens.....heck I might not do a cycle at all and just keep going on. Im about to start DC training in a couple of weeks with my workout buddy...I was thinking about running the cycle during the training...got my hands on clomid already and looking to add other compounds for pct.

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    you need to cut down somemore first, preferable 14-16%, and i wouldn't take anything yet, you can definitely gain more naturally, especially if you get your diet in check

    post your diet and i'll help you with it

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    Oto
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    I can also get dbol , as a kicker

    I "try" to stick with this diet

    a.m
    cup egg whites cup oates...sometimes I drop the oates and go with whole wheat english muffin with peanut butter

    mid a.m
    banana- fiber one bar

    lunch
    chicken,steak, fish and brown rice or steamed vegies
    sometimes....turkey sandwich with wheat bread and fruit

    mid after noon....apple or whey and water

    pre workout supps
    gym 5-6'ish

    after workout -whey and banana (if dinner is not ready)

    dinner
    just about the same as lunch or I will eat the same as breakfast

    other then that I have my days where I cheat. I drink water or green tea pretty much all day long.

    Here is a current back pic.


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    i can't help without you posting macros, though here is a diet thread i wrote a while ago with two cutting diets i use, they are nutrient timed and everything so you can model your diets after them if you want

    DIET HELP by Phate

    here is the diet that i'm on right now, it's a good base to go off of, listed below are things to help you create your own diet off it

    1) One thing that will help you drastically is called carb tapering, if you notice the bulk of my carbs are in the morning and after my workout, i don't eat hardly any close to when i go to sleep

    2) Another thing is that eat meal is either protein/carb or protein/fat and the fats are good fats(EFA=Essential fatty acids) from flax oil or fish oil. Try not to eat fat with carbs as the fat will become, well, fat since your body is made to be energy efficient, by putting carbs, which are easier to break down for energy, in the same meal as fats your body stores the fat for later and uses the carbs for energy, not what you want.

    3) try to eat every 2-3 hours, this is the amount of time it takes for your body to digest a meal and by giving it a constant stream of food you will ensure that your metabolism is kept high, also, calories are not the same, protein has the highest thermodynamic effect, which means that it takes more calories to digest protein than carbs or fat, this also increases your metabolism

    4) You should try to get at least 50-60g of protein in every meal, this is about the max your body can take at one time

    5) here are some tricks for making eating so often easier, i know it's hard, i go to school 8 hours a day and i'm not allowed to bring food into class so i have to work around that
    a) Make a weeks worth of food on your day off, go buy a ton of chicken, lean turkey and very lean beef and grill it, then put it in ziplock bags and label with the amount of calories and protein per bag, YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A CHEAP SCALE FOR THIS, YOU CAN GET THEM AT GNC, MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE THAT WEIGHS IN GRAMS.
    b) save grocery sacks or get a lunch box and put a full three meals or so in there, lots of chicken, jerky, tuna, those are gonna be the staples of your diet

    6) Don't drink more than two protein shakes a day, there are liquid and don't have the thermic effect normal food does, normal food should make up 95% of your diet, though a shake after workout or in a pinch is perfectly fine

    that should get you started, i'm sure you'll still have questions so just keep posting and i'll help you however i can, i'll be in austin though for the next couple days for a state competition, though i'll try to get on at the hotel if you post and answer when i can, here's the diet i'm on to model after

    Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat5), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 485, carbs 53 pro 50, Fat 6.5

    WORKOUT

    PWO - 2 scoop whey (cal224, carb5, pro46, fat3), WMS 80g (cal280 carb68) TOTALS Cal519, carbs73, pro58 fat 3

    PPWO - Tuna 1/2 tin (cal 72,carb0 pro15 ), Oats 80g (cal295 carb51 pro12 fat4) 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5) TOTALS cal480 carbs53 pro50 fat5.5

    meal 4 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 5 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) Flax Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Meal 6 - 175g chicken (cal289 pro54 fat5) hemp Oil (cal83 fat9g) TOTALS cal372, pro54, fat14

    Before Bed Lean Mince200g (cal328 pro51 fat12) TOTALS cal328 pro51 fat12

    DAILY TOTAL Cal 2928Carbs 179 Protein 360 fat 68.5


    diet 2


    Macros: Food/Calories/Protein-Carbs-Fat

    Meal 1: 60g Oatmeal/225cal/8gP-41gC-2gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 2: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    turkey (99/1)/260/54gP-0gC-3gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 3: 40g Oatmeal/150cal/5gP-27gC-1.5gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 4: 10mL flax oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    beef (96/4)/300/50gP-0gC-8gF
    2 Tbsp Mayo light 40cal/0gP-2gC-3gF

    Meal 5: 10mL fish oil 90cal/0gP-0gC-10gF
    Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF

    Meal 6: Tuna 170cal/42gP-0gC-0gF
    3.5 Tbsp Mayo light 70/0gP-4gC-5gF
    beef or turkey 150cal/25gP-0gC-4gF

    macros:Calories: 2615
    Protein: 335
    Carbs: 111
    Fats: 74

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    thanks a bunch....perhaps I will try to cut down my bf and get it measured...

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    that's a good idea, get it calipered if you can, and have them use as many pinch sites as possible for accurate results

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    ditto diet is the key

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    Again, thanks...I will work on getting my bf down to at least 16%...I am going to incorporate more cardio into my workout and try to drop fat...need to hit the grocery store too.

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    I would go min. 10 weeks. 250mg twice a week.

    Like other guys said, make sure your diet is in check.

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    What your salt intake on test or your BP will go up and you will really blow up.

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    for your first cycle, i would even consider only doing 250mg's of test split up into 2 shots per week (125mgsx2/wk). that's plenty of test.

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