anavar or clen? for fatloss

[Deltasaurus]

im not going to do either my friends wants my opinion hes 26 and whats help cutting and i told him if he is going to do it then ill ge what advice i cant whats your opinions and can either cause gyno?

[Phate]

what are your friends stats?
age
height
weight
bf%
training exp.

[Deltasaurus]

25 5'11 210 17% comin down from 23% 2 yrs

[Phate]

i would go with a clen or clen/t3 stack to help him with the fatloss

whats his diet like, that will be the main factor

[Deltasaurus]

not sure but isnt clen like some powerful stuff

[Phate]

yes, though it's not an AS, and anything you take too much of can hurt, what do you think would happen if you drank 5 gallons of water in one sitting, even though water is essential to our health, too much can kill us

[Deltasaurus]

what about gyno?

[Phate]

neither have a very high risk of it, anavar is a very mild oral steroid and clen has nothing to do with AS, testosterone or estrogen so no gyno with it

[Deltasaurus]

clen =no gyno abd anavar = not likely but overally u recomend clen

[Phate]

yes, it is cheaper by far, as avavar is considered a "designer drug" so a 6 week cycle is pretty costly, clen is very cheap for most people, depending on the dose he has to take

read and print out perfectbeast's clen faq and have your friend read it, it will tell you alot, then come ask more questions if you have them

search clen faq to find the thread

[Deltasaurus]

thank ill do that for him. also one more thing guess my BF on this thread i want u opinion now too plz guess my BF

[Deltasaurus]

and my diet for losing bf My cutting diet with macro's

[Phate]

thank ill do that for him. also one more thing guess my BF on this thread i want u opinion now too plz guess my BF

i'd say 13-15%

and my diet for losing bf My cutting diet with macro's

MEAL 1
1/2 cup oats 5/27/2.5/150
1 scoop of whey 23/3/2/100
1 cup egg beaters 24/4/0/120

52/34/4.5/370

MEAL 2
1 tbsp Ex Vir Olive oil 0/0/14/120
1 1/3 serv chicken 37/0/.5/160
increase the chicken to get around 50g protein
37/0/14.5/180

MEAL 3
1 serving Broccoli 5/9/5/90
1 1/3 serv chicken 37/0/.5/160
increase the chicken to get around 50g protein
42/9/5.5/250

MEAL 4
3 oz. tuna 39/0/0/180
1/4 oats 2.5/15/1.25/75
go to 1/2 cup of oats to increase carbs a little
41.5/15/1.25/255

WORK OUT PWO shake then CARDIO

MEAL 5 the "shake" lol
1/2 cup oats 5/27/2.5/150
banana 0/17/0/67
2 scoops whey 46/6/3.5/210BTW, this is off as far as the calories go, your grams equal more than 210cal
i would switch this meal up, drop "the shake and try this
1/2 cup oats or equivalent sweet potato 1/2 cup oats 5/27/2.5/150
banana 0/17/0/67
1 scoop of whey 23/3/1.5/120
1 1/3 serv chicken 37/0/.5/160
Total:
Pro 65
Carb 47
Fat 4.5
the whey is quick release which will give your body protein now, while the chicken will breakdown over the next several hours for a more sustained release


MEAL 6
1 1/2 chick 42/0/1/180
tbsp Ex Vir Olive oil 0/0/14/120

42/0/15/300

Right B4 bed
Casein protein shake 23/4/1/120

daily Total pro-288/carbs-110/fats-47.5/CALS-1902
New Totals-Pro-324/Carbs-109/Fat-47/CALS-2155
Percentages
Protein 60%
Carbs 20%
Fat 20%

how does that look

[Deltasaurus]

LOOKS GREAT. couple more ?'s the calcualtor said i need liek 2400-2500 to have fatloss WO muscle loss i was thinkin your is good bud add some veggies to increase overall cals and i was gunna ask about carb cycling and if i should hav my shake then do cardio or do cardio then have my shake

[Phate]

i would
workout
drink low carb protein shake
cardio

that way your body has more protein in it to help rebuild muscle while you do cardio, your body won't use the protein for energy as it is very inefficient for your body to break down protein into indiviual amino acids then convert them to energy

you can add veges, though they have very little impact because of their high fiber content, look into edamame soy beans, very low GI and GL and they have some cals in them, very good also

i doubt you will lose muscle with this diet, look at the amount of protein you have in it,

if you are 15%bf then you break down like this
Fat mass=28.8lbs
LBM= 163.2

YOU ARE GOING TO BE EATING 2G OF PROTEIN FOR EVERY LB OF MUSCLE, that's a ton trust me, so muscle loss is going to be at a minimum

[Deltasaurus]

ok what if i had the shake after cardio is that bad i havent yet to scared to catablolize but someone said to try it so far i just hav the shake then do cardio

[Phate]

ok what if i had the shake after cardio is that bad i havent yet to scared to catablolize but someone said to try it so far i just hav the shake then do cardio

go ahead and try it, everyone's different and you might not catabolize at all

[Deltasaurus]

wouldnt u say its risky lol

[Phate]

dude, your on a steroid forum, everything we do has risks, every injection we take could have a bacteria/mold in it that could kill us, but we do it anyway, this is a risky game, besides, a life without risks isn't much of a life at all, try it if you like for a week and see which you like better, you won't lose 5lbs of muscle if you make a mistake

i don't mean to sound harsh if that's how it comes across but think of it this way, right now your diet, training, and knowledge is better than 95% of the people that are in your gym, i know that in my gym i am probably the most knowledgable on diet and AS by far since my gym is a little family place/hangout. So looking at it from that standpoint, we have an advantage on my people we are trying to surpass already, you won't lose that advantage by experimenting a little bit, hell, you might gain a bigger one, but you don't know until you try.