tren, prop pct

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 04:51 PM

I am 24yo 6,0 200lbs... Iv been on prop 300mg a week and tren 300mg a week for the past 9 weeks... I am ready to stop... I just need a few answers regarding pct... Should I wait 3 days after my last prop injection to start (clomid,nolva,hcg ) . This is what my Pct looks like... Also I have HCG 5000iu on hand but I dont know if I should take it...I read that if you take hcg during pct it can mess up the effects of nolva and clomid... I have not taken any hcg during my cycle.

Clomid 300mg 1st day Nolva 40mg 1st day
20mg ED for 30 days
100mg days 2-11
50mg day 12-21

**edmen2** · 06-12-2008, 04:57 PM

i personally would just take the clomid. the hcg is to prevent testicular atrophy while on cycle and the nolva is usually used to prevent gyno associated with the test but not the tren although some people do use nolva for pct i personally would keep it simple 9 wks is not that long the clomid should be enough.

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 05:00 PM

So nix the Hcg ?

**edmen2** · 06-12-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stephan

So nix the Hcg?

i would!

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 05:03 PM

Do you think I should start the clomid and nolva 3 days after my last prop inject?

**edmen2** · 06-12-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stephan

Do you think I should start the clomid and nolva 3 days after my last prop inject?

10-4

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 05:22 PM

for starters, what ester tren ? your don't want your test to leave while the tren is still active.

**edmen2** · 06-12-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Big

for starters, what ester tren? your don't want your test to leave while the tren is still active.

i was assuming ace but i should have asked that 2. my bad!

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by edmen2

i was assuming ace

You're probably right. I hope so anyway, would be kind of pointless to run prop and tren e, but it's possible.

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 05:43 PM

it was tren ace

**drive it!!** · 06-12-2008, 05:48 PM

Big, I'm sure its due to the esters but can you elaborate on why no to mix prop and enth?

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by drive it!!

Big, I'm sure its due to the esters but can you elaborate on why no to mix prop and enth?

It's not necessarily bad, but prop needs to be shot ed or eod, tren a needs to be shot ed or eod. If you mix the 2, you can shoot both at the same time, both enter and leave your system quickly.
test e and tren e could both be shot twice a week, and both would leave your system more slowly.
If you shot prop and tren e for instance, then stopped both on the same day, the test would be out of your system in a couple days and the tren would linger for much longer. a 19nor like tren or deca can give unwanted sides if run without test, so it's optimum to arrange the cycle so that both compounds leave your system at the same time, or the test leaves just after the 19nor, then pct begins.

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 05:54 PM

To the original poster, do you have any signs of testicular atrophy?

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 07:48 PM

my balls seem a maybe a little smaller not much at all though... I dont really know the signs of test atrophy

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 08:30 PM

Just if your boys are smaller than usual.

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 08:36 PM

they are a little smaller... I have the hcg do you think I should use it...Can it hurt?

**Big** · 06-12-2008, 08:40 PM

when used as part of a good pct hcg does very well. I only use it if the cycle caused atrophy, if it did the hcg will help you to bounce back.
AR's pct works very well:

Week Nolvadex HCG____Aromasin_____Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 09:07 PM

do I take all 300 mg of the clomid at the same time the first day? Swallow all 6 pills at one time?

**Stephan** · 06-12-2008, 09:58 PM

knew no one would answer that question

**fujitsupalm** · 06-12-2008, 11:33 PM

Hey Big, when should you start using HCG ? i heard about during cycle, but i also seen plenty that says two weeks after cycle, two weeks before the end of cycle, and also straight after cycle.

very confused.

never included it in my previous cycles, because it was light stuff like Test D-Bol, or test deca , didn't quite shrink the bros much, pretty much went back to normal like after pct.

**edmen2** · 06-13-2008, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Stephan

do I take all 300 mg of the clomid at the same time the first day? Swallow all 6 pills at one time?

spread them out thru the day 2 morn 2 afternoon 2 evening.

**Big** · 06-13-2008, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by edmen2

spread them out thru the day 2 morn 2 afternoon 2 evening.

yep, that's how I do it.

as for the when to use HCG question, If I'm on a very suppressive cycle I use it a the first signs of atrophy during cycle. 500iu every 4 or 5 days seems to do fine. I've read of many diferent protocols, the trick is to find what works best for you.